AQ - Page 2

Pog0 · #11 07-19-2006, 11:59 PM

either he's drawing dead or you're typically drawing live.

You aren't protecting here, you're value-pounding. Many bad players will peel 2 undercards with a club here. They'll call the turn with any club, even though they're barely getting odds on it if it was actually good. Valuepound please. Calldown. You can't fold the river vs an unknown.

CIncyHR · #12 07-20-2006, 02:49 AM

Yeah, I like it.

Kwaz · #13 07-20-2006, 03:00 AM

3bet the c/r for a free showdown.

True · #14 07-20-2006, 03:17 AM

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is this serious?

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Kwaz · #15 07-20-2006, 03:18 AM

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Yes.

True · #16 07-20-2006, 03:21 AM

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I hate it a lot. it's typical to a situation like checking the river OOP with a marginal situation but with the detrimental involvements of reducing impliedo dds. Anything that beats you caps and leads, anything that you beat will call and fold river UI or just fold immediately when may have bluffed the river. You are drawing if you get capped and you also reduce your implied odds by 3-betting, not to mention the fact that when you do improve on the river to the nut flush you will often get 2 bets in here.

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Caddy_4_Life · #17 07-20-2006, 03:25 AM

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I hate it a lot.

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Kwaz · #18 07-20-2006, 03:29 AM

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Anything that beats you caps and leads, anything that you beat will call and fold river UI or just fold immediately when may have bluffed the river. You are drawing if you get capped and you also reduce your implied odds by 3-betting, not to mention the fact that when you do improve on the river to the nut flush you will often get 2 bets in here.

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1) I would fold the river UI if the turn is capped
2) You have oodles of equity against 95% of better hands
3) This c/r is never a bluff and is either a made hand or a semi bluff. Even the better hands have a huge problem capping this turn and every hand that checkraises is calling your 3bet.

True · #19 07-20-2006, 03:32 AM

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Anything that beats you caps and leads, anything that you beat will call and fold river UI or just fold immediately when may have bluffed the river. You are drawing if you get capped and you also reduce your implied odds by 3-betting, not to mention the fact that when you do improve on the river to the nut flush you will often get 2 bets in here.

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3) This c/r is never a bluff and is either a made hand or a semi bluff. Even the better hands have a huge problem capping this turn and every hand that checkraises is calling your 3bet.

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The thing is, they will almost always bet the river so you make your bet back since you have a showdownable hand. You will frequently cost yourself a raise on the turn or river when you hit.

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Kwaz · #20 07-20-2006, 03:45 AM

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Anything that beats you caps and leads, anything that you beat will call and fold river UI or just fold immediately when may have bluffed the river. You are drawing if you get capped and you also reduce your implied odds by 3-betting, not to mention the fact that when you do improve on the river to the nut flush you will often get 2 bets in here.

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3) This c/r is never a bluff and is either a made hand or a semi bluff. Even the better hands have a huge problem capping this turn and every hand that checkraises is calling your 3bet.

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The thing is, they will almost always bet the river so you make your bet back since you have a showdownable hand. You will frequently cost yourself a raise on the turn or river when you hit.

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Any hand that doesn't have a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and wants to showdown will check the 4 flush river.
Any hand that has a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] will call your river bet.

How do you lose a bet?

You want your money in on the turn against a better hand because you have >20% equity. You don't care where you get your money when YHIG because villian is so often drawing next to dead.

This should be a pretty easy hand to analyse mathematically. All we need are % for how often villian is ahead/semibluff/bluff when he checkraises the turn.