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07-19-2006, 10:32 PM
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Re: $109s: Curtains hand, K9s on the bubble.
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[ QUOTE ] limp. holla [/ QUOTE ] am i on ignore? no1 questions me on limp???? wtf?????? oh piddle, fine, figure it out yerself. holla [/ QUOTE ] why limp? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] 
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#13
07-19-2006, 10:35 PM
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Re: $109s: Curtains hand, K9s on the bubble.
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[ QUOTE ] limp. holla [/ QUOTE ] am i on ignore? no1 questions me on limp???? wtf?????? oh piddle, fine, figure it out yerself. holla [/ QUOTE ] Enlighten me please yo.
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#14
07-19-2006, 10:41 PM
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Re: $109s: Curtains hand, K9s on the bubble.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] limp. holla [/ QUOTE ] am i on ignore? no1 questions me on limp???? wtf?????? oh piddle, fine, figure it out yerself. holla [/ QUOTE ] why limp? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I think the idea is an "action limp": SB pushes, BB folds, you fold, now BB is closer to busting SB pushes, BB calls, you call, now it has to go BB>SB>you for you to bust OOTM. SB folds, BB pushes, you call, you are now heads-up w BB. But I personally don't think the combination of your hand and your stack size is good enough for this. So I guess I fold and hope SB is smart enough to shove vs. BB.
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#15
07-19-2006, 10:45 PM
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Re: $109s: Curtains hand, K9s on the bubble.
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Curtains, can I ask you why you didnt push this? I generally always push this situation but I also bubble to much. If we figure that the sb will call something like 44+,A7+,KJ+ and BB will call 100% then we get a +.2% push. I would assume most small blinds dont call wider then that here and that you also have some fe against the small stack. Given that is this hand just a fold because you had a read on the sb that he was loose or am I missing something here? [/ QUOTE ] If I can jump in, I personally will want my minimum edge to be quite large here i.e. something more than the standard +.5% because of the stack situation i.e. shorty sandwiched between two big stacks. If he doubles up then it's time to start rammin and jammin again.
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#16
07-19-2006, 10:48 PM
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Re: $109s: Curtains hand, K9s on the bubble.
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People talk a big game like they'd shove any 2 from the SB if curtains min-raises here....in practice, this is hardly the case at the 109s. The players are either too bad to recognize this move, or too good to risk it. [/ QUOTE ] Ya I have been expiremnting with this play a lot for the act reason you outlined here.
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#17
07-19-2006, 11:50 PM
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Re: $109s: Curtains hand, K9s on the bubble.
pineapples,
I was thinking action limp myself with I saw this hand but I'm pretty sure Raptor has no idea what an action limp is or would never be caught dead attempting one. I think he figures his hand is pretty solid with 2 left to act and neither player will be crazy about shoving into him so he can pickup chips the old fashioned way postflop. Yugoslav
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#18
07-19-2006, 11:55 PM
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Re: $109s: Curtains hand, K9s on the bubble.
"Action limping" > Folding >>>> Pushing
Yugo, isnt what you outlined one of the key benefits of this so called action limp?? I would think that postflop is a decent part of why youd want to do that in the first place.
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#19
07-20-2006, 12:00 AM
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Re: $109s: Curtains hand, K9s on the bubble.
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I think the idea is an "action limp": SB pushes, BB folds, you fold, now BB is closer to busting SB pushes, BB calls, you call, now it has to go BB>SB>you for you to bust OOTM. SB folds, BB pushes, you call, you are now heads-up w BB. [/ QUOTE ] #2 you should have a pretty easy fold, no? This play seems like it could be really good in a lot of situations I've found myself in. Seeing a flop really isn't the most disastrous result when you're on the button, and any action ensuring the small stack doesn't collect the blinds for free has got to be good.
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#20
07-20-2006, 12:06 AM
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Re: $109s: Curtains hand, K9s on the bubble.
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[ QUOTE ] I think the idea is an "action limp": SB pushes, BB folds, you fold, now BB is closer to busting SB pushes, BB calls, you call, now it has to go BB>SB>you for you to bust OOTM. SB folds, BB pushes, you call, you are now heads-up w BB. [/ QUOTE ] #2 you should have a pretty easy fold, no? [/ QUOTE ] True, which is why I don't limp here, you're losing a key benefit of the play.
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