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Old 07-11-2006, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: (22 reg) QQ early vs. random donkey

FPS ?
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:21 PM
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Default Re: (22 reg) QQ early vs. random donkey

I might make this raise with KK, but QQ is so vulnerable you gotta just push when there's considerable money already on the table.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:33 PM
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Default Re: (22 reg) QQ early vs. random donkey

PUSH. You will get called by enough worse pairs and worse aces to cover the rare times that you're beat.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:42 PM
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Default Re: (22 reg) QQ early vs. random donkey

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PUSH. You will get called by enough worse pairs and worse aces to cover the rare times that you're beat.

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Correct conclusion, but the consideration isn't that you might be up against AA or KK. It's whether you are extracting maximum value from your hand. In this case, your push will be called PF by a weaker hand sufficiently often to cover the cases in which everyone folds. Therefore, it's not worth the risk to make a smaller raise.
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: (22 reg) QQ early vs. random donkey

UTG has a middle pair about 80-90% of the time here. They want to see a cheap flop to try to hit a set, but when someone raises they get all pissy and push, thinking "hey, I tried to be nice and let people see a flop, but you wanted to raise, so this'll show you"
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:11 PM
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Default Re: (22 reg) QQ early vs. random donkey

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UTG has a middle pair about 80-90% of the time here

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Where did you pull this stat from? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:16 PM
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Default Re: (22 reg) QQ early vs. random donkey

I think I'm the only one on the forum that doesn't know what FPS stands for...anyone care to enlighten me?
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:18 PM
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Default Re: (22 reg) QQ early vs. random donkey

push when it gets to you the first time with 3 limpers already. the pot has 450 when it gets to you and thats 1/4 of your stack and a nice addition.
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:20 PM
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I think I'm the only one on the forum that doesn't know what FPS stands for...anyone care to enlighten me?

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Fancy Play Syndrome. See the "lingo and abbreviations" link in the small stakes NL forum master sticky.
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Old 07-11-2006, 02:04 PM
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Default Re: (22 reg) QQ early vs. random donkey

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UTG has a middle pair about 80-90% of the time here

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Where did you pull this stat from? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Where fudge is made. Just an approximation from my own experience.
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