A delayed WA/WB

[Eeegah]

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Not a bit passive you think?

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So what? A passive line doesn't automatically mean bad.

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What if he raises for a FC (plenty of draws)?

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I think this is uncommon enough at .50/1 to warrant more of a read than him playing K6s.

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I think either 3-bet flop or bet turn

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I'm not sure about the 3-bet; I can't pin him down on specifically a draw yet and I don't want to let a mediocre Jack off the hook. A stop-n-go's a possibility, though.

For what it's worth I was planning on calling a raise here, but looking at the hand immediately afterwards I really didn't see what I'd be beating if he raised. [AQT]J would likely just go what the [censored] and call, so I'm looking at either a bluff or one of them kewl AA/QQ slowplays. One time in seven? I'm still not too sure.

Didn't get a chance to find out though; he folded.

[bozlax]

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raise turn, call 3 bet, donk river since its only 1 more bb to lose!!!!!

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Great line and reasoning. Not. [/Wayne's World]

Eeeg, you know what's wrong with this. Why'd you post it? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Eeegah]

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Eeeg, you know what's wrong with this. Why'd you post it? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Because I don't. Dead serious.

[Bonesy]

I prefer leading the turn then possibly giving a free card. If you are raised then it would cost you the same as your river b/c line assuming you are calling in that situation which I believe you should.

[bozlax]

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Eeeg, you know what's wrong with this. Why'd you post it? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Because I don't. Dead serious.

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Your read:

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Nothing on this dude, his first orbit as usual.

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This isn't even close to WA/WB. Giving credit for a) JJ or b) the case king against an unknown is MUBS of the highest order, and against anything else your line is FPS of the highest order. You might as well flip over your king, so there's no way you can bet/fold the river, either, because you have told him what's in your hand, but you don't know what he's capable of doing with that information.

I'm fine with calling the flop raise, but you MUST do so in order to check-raise the turn, because you can't count on him to even call a river bet with AQ/77/etc, much less make one for you, but he WILL call a turn c/r.

[bozlax]

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I prefer leading the turn then possibly giving a free card.

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What are you afraid of giving a free card to? If he's aggro enough to raise pocket [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]s HU on the flop, he's prolly going to c/b it on the turn as well. "Not giving a free card," is not a reason to bet this turn; "that's the best way to extract $$ with a hand that is the best 98% of the time," would be a much better reason, but I don't think that's true.

[Shillx]

re: wa/wb

1) You have a hand that usually has somewhere between 40-60% equity though it might be correct to play this with up to 100% equity.
2) Villian can have a hand that he will easily fold to aggression.
3) Villian can have a worse hand that will payoff a river bet.

So it would be okay to play wa/wb here if you thought that he could only have Kx & Jx, would fold Jx to more aggression and payoff a random river bet with Jx. Too many things have to come together to make this the correct way to play the hand. It is too likely that the villian is both drawing live and will not make a payoff hand on the river. Wa/wb is just about the worst possible choice for this hand imo.

[dchz]

grunch:

i like the bet on the river, but i don't like folding to a raise,

it's HU on the flop and hey may be as well as raising with any PP or a Jack because he may think you are bluffing

the turn is just a continuation bluff... a double barrel if you will,

i like the bet on the river, but if he does raise you, he could also be raising with 2 pair, another bluff raise, etc.. which isn't so uncommon in .5/1 so i'd bet/call instead of bet/fold

[dchz]

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Eeeg, you know what's wrong with this. Why'd you post it? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Because I don't. Dead serious.

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Your read:

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Nothing on this dude, his first orbit as usual.

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This isn't even close to WA/WB. Giving credit for a) JJ or b) the case king against an unknown is MUBS of the highest order, and against anything else your line is FPS of the highest order. You might as well flip over your king, so there's no way you can bet/fold the river, either, because you have told him what's in your hand, but you don't know what he's capable of doing with that information.

I'm fine with calling the flop raise, but you MUST do so in order to check-raise the turn, because you can't count on him to even call a river bet with AQ/77/etc, much less make one for you, but he WILL call a turn c/r.

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i think i agreee with bozlax on this, but i have another question

i'm so fish i don't know what MUBS, or FPS stand for.. entlighten me?

[Buckmulligan]

monsters under the bed syndrome
fancy play syndrome