Is it ever correct to fold AA in a cash game?

[cold_cash]

You're talking about before the flop, right?

If you're talking about after the board is out there, of course there are times when it's correct to fold.

BTW, the wording of this whole thing is pretty bad.

[chicagoY]

No, provided it's preflop. I mean, it's gambling but just barely lol.

[VORP]

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I had a hypothetical situation in mind, before I knew I was a reposter, LOL. If you held AA in the BB of a .50/1.00 game, and the game is 6 handed. Everyone at the table has $20 stacks and everyone goes all in to you. This call would have a negative EV is your opponents held AA, KK, QQ, 98s, and 54s. Not saying that you don't call, because you dont know what the other players have, but in this particular situation, the call would render a negative EV.

Sorry for the repost I should have browsed first.

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Diebitter?

[tufat23]

i clicked yes since postflop there are so many instances u can be beat.

preflop= no

[kimchi]

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I had a hypothetical situation in mind, before I knew I was a reposter, LOL. If you held AA in the BB of a .50/1.00 game, and the game is 6 handed. Everyone at the table has $20 stacks and everyone goes all in to you. This call would have a negative EV is your opponents held AA, KK, QQ, 98s, and 54s. Not saying that you don't call, because you dont know what the other players have, but in this particular situation, the call would render a negative EV.

Sorry for the repost I should have browsed first.

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No, it would be a +EV:

you (AA) 36.67%
your opponents:
KK 16.63%
QQ 12.07%
98s 17.59%
54s 16.85%

You would lose this pot more often than you won. But when you won, your profits would be much larger than your losses.

all 5 $20 stacks go all-in
The pot is $100
Your pot equity holding AA is 36.67%
$36.67 of the pot is yours in the long run, -$20 stake

So your average profit for calling would be $16.67

Hugely +EV, especially against those pocket under pairs, even though you'd only win a shade over a third of the time.

[_TKO_]

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I had a hypothetical situation in mind, before I knew I was a reposter, LOL. If you held AA in the BB of a .50/1.00 game, and the game is 6 handed. Everyone at the table has $20 stacks and everyone goes all in to you. This call would have a negative EV is your opponents held AA, KK, QQ, 98s, and 54s. Not saying that you don't call, because you dont know what the other players have, but in this particular situation, the call would render a negative EV.

Sorry for the repost I should have browsed first.

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No, it would be a +EV:

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Hugely +EV, especially against those pocket under pairs, even though you'd only win a shade over a third of the time.

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You missed the fact that one of your opponents holds AA as well. Run the numbers again.

[kiwi]

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i've folded AA 3 times in 10 minutes in cash game...that poll is absurdly wrong...all 3 times i made the right fold.

flops like 789, 3 suited, and so forth, are killers...lay it down.

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Thats all very well if you have a pattern mapper - TwoRooks advocates a similar play in his book "Holdem - not just for the WSOP player"
But a lot of us haven't got the resources to acquire these expensive add-ons, so we go with gut feel pre-flop a lot of the time.

[GeniusToad]

i should worry less about starting pointless threads if this kind of stuff is out there.

[Pokit2s]

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I had a hypothetical situation in mind, before I knew I was a reposter, LOL. If you held AA in the BB of a .50/1.00 game, and the game is 6 handed. Everyone at the table has $20 stacks and everyone goes all in to you. This call would have a negative EV is your opponents held AA, KK, QQ, 98s, and 54s. Not saying that you don't call, because you dont know what the other players have, but in this particular situation, the call would render a negative EV.

Sorry for the repost I should have browsed first.

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No, it would be a +EV:

you (AA) 36.67%
your opponents:
KK 16.63%
QQ 12.07%
98s 17.59%
54s 16.85%

You would lose this pot more often than you won. But when you won, your profits would be much larger than your losses.

all 5 $20 stacks go all-in
The pot is $100
Your pot equity holding AA is 36.67%
$36.67 of the pot is yours in the long run, -$20 stake

So your average profit for calling would be $16.67

Hugely +EV, especially against those pocket under pairs, even though you'd only win a shade over a third of the time.

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Ok, read carefully. YOU hold AA.

Your opponents hold AA(The last two Aces), KK, QQ, 98s, and 54s. I ran this over multiple times, assuming you are in the BB, everyone has equal stacks, and everyone goes all in, AA has a negative EV here. You win only about 2% of the time, you tie about 12% of the time, while you lose about 86% of the time. It's actually not even close to breaking even.

I'm sorry if this was a repost, but it's not THAT worthless of a thread. I mean, its Poker Theory and I thought it was just somethin to get you thinkin. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[ihaveAdream]

Well, unless you play with open hole cards it's never correct and that's what matters.