curtains' hand #11 (l3) - Page 2

AMT · #11 06-18-2006, 03:18 AM

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Even if he has a tight range... why must it be KK or AA?

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yeah, i didnt know ANY regulars range at any level was enough to put him on KK/AA here....or on a bigger sense folding QQ here.

curtains · #12 06-18-2006, 03:31 AM

One's range doesn't have to be AA+KK to make folding QQ okay. Anyway I dunno someone should do the math for me.

AMT · #13 06-18-2006, 03:36 AM

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One's range doesn't have to be AA+KK to make folding QQ okay. Anyway I dunno someone should do the math for me.

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GO TO BED!

TravestyFund · #14 06-18-2006, 04:08 AM

I shove. Is there another play?

curtains · #15 06-18-2006, 04:18 AM

ok ok probably allin is correct, youve all broken down my defenses.

EscapePlan9 · #16 06-18-2006, 04:31 AM

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One's range doesn't have to be AA+KK to make folding QQ okay. Anyway I dunno someone should do the math for me.

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Uh yeah, it does. Why else would you fold QQ here given the stacks?

Push and let him call with AK or JJ or whatever.

wpr101 · #17 06-18-2006, 04:40 AM

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ok ok probably allin is correct, youve all broken down my defenses.

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What are you kidding? Pushing is clear here. I don't get what your talking about; what else are you afraid of besides AA and KK? It's unlikely and you still got 20% even if they have it.

ryanghall · #18 06-18-2006, 09:26 AM

He's have to be extraordinarily tight for me not to push here.

Ryan

sheetsworld · #19 06-18-2006, 11:00 AM

Is this one of those weird Party structures where flat calling is illegal?

As curtains said, it depends on the opponents, but I certainly include some % of flat calls along with my pushes and folds in this spot.

sheets

Pasterbator · #20 06-18-2006, 12:04 PM

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One's range doesn't have to be AA+KK to make folding QQ okay. Anyway I dunno someone should do the math for me.

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Uh yeah, it does. Why else would you fold QQ here given the stacks?

Push and let him call with AK or JJ or whatever.

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I'm sure this type of player is not calling AK or JJ vs curtains push here. Basically pushing will never fold a better hand, and will RARELY, if ever, get called by a worse hand against this opponent.

His range in this situation with a limper has to be tight, so if we make it TT+, AK (which has to be his biggest range here) we have 52% equity. Factor in a little fold equity, and it doesnt look too bad.

I'm not much of a math person, but i am interested in the numbers. If i had time, i would run them myself, but i have a father...and its his day, so i'm gonna get on that.

FWIW, 80-85% of the time i would push this and not be estatic about it. 15-20% i would cold call (something i started doing a bit more of before i switched back to ring games AGAIN) and get it in on most flops.