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Old 03-21-2007, 08:43 AM
Kaminski Kaminski is offline
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Default Re: Playing Out of Position -- PB Post

never thought about the min raise that way [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] guess you have to see it and recognize it before you can learn it. i have to keep my eyes open for it and put it in my arsenal as a slow down raise.
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Old 06-10-2007, 05:56 AM
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Default Re: Playing Out of Position -- PB Post

solid post . . . good topic . . . well handled
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Old 07-30-2007, 04:13 PM
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really nice post
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Old 06-08-2006, 03:41 PM
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I like to limp oop



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Old 06-08-2006, 03:44 PM
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I like to limp oop



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Yep, I LOLed.

I'm taking a more zen approach -- for the next five minutes at least -- to each his own.
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Old 06-08-2006, 03:43 PM
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So here’s how I handle it: Every time I see a player min-raise a flop Cbet, I will make note of it. If that player shows his hand down, perfect. It’s a bounty of information. But let’s say I raise A K in EP and get one caller, and the flop comes K 8 3 or even T 8 3. I’ll make my Cbet, and if I get min-raised, I’m coming over the top. If I lead for 6 and get raised to 12, I’m making it 35. My opponent’s action is then going to tell me a lot. If they push I fold and make a note that I believe they’ll min-raise sets. If they fold, I note that they’ll try to take away the pot with a min-bet and will back down to further aggression. Their best play with a set is to call, cause that makes it very difficult for me on the turn, but thankfully most opponents at SSNL won’t just call there with a set. They’ll push.


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How often do you make this type of play at 6m? at FR? Are you only doing this to perpetual min-raisers? Are you doing this to gain information on a certain opponent or because you already have a read on this specific opponent? The background of this passage is not clear to me.
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Old 06-08-2006, 03:47 PM
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So here’s how I handle it: Every time I see a player min-raise a flop Cbet, I will make note of it. If that player shows his hand down, perfect. It’s a bounty of information. But let’s say I raise A K in EP and get one caller, and the flop comes K 8 3 or even T 8 3. I’ll make my Cbet, and if I get min-raised, I’m coming over the top. If I lead for 6 and get raised to 12, I’m making it 35. My opponent’s action is then going to tell me a lot. If they push I fold and make a note that I believe they’ll min-raise sets. If they fold, I note that they’ll try to take away the pot with a min-bet and will back down to further aggression. Their best play with a set is to call, cause that makes it very difficult for me on the turn, but thankfully most opponents at SSNL won’t just call there with a set. They’ll push.


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How often do you make this type of play at 6m? at FR? Are you only doing this to perpetual min-raisers? Are you doing this to gain information on a certain opponent or because you already have a read on this specific opponent? The background of this passage is not clear to me.

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1. I will do this to perpetual min-raisers very often, unless they're a non-folding maniac.

2. I will obviously do this with a helpful read.

3. But generally, assuming no reads and I haven't seen the player do it before, I'll make this play the first time a player min-raises my Cbet.
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Old 06-08-2006, 03:43 PM
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Default Re: Playing Out of Position -- PB Post

Bravo.

Succint, nice execution [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Your analogies always have me in fits of laughter [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
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Old 06-08-2006, 03:45 PM
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Bravo.

Succint, nice execution [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Your analogies always have me in fits of laughter [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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Well, if I'm going to be so damn wordy, I might as well be entertaining...
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Old 06-08-2006, 03:51 PM
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Bravo!

Another one for the stickies!
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