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#11
06-03-2006, 12:18 AM
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Re: $60 - BVB - If I wanted to fold all day I\'d work in a doily factor
FWIW - I pushed, villain didn't think very long and called with KJs. Certainly lending credence to the check-and-value-bet approach.
I've been racking my brains trying to figure out exactly what is going through villain's minds when they do stuff like this. Here is the best I can come up with: "Well I'd rather limp and see a flop, but if I have to call a push I will." Sound close? 
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#12
06-03-2006, 02:59 AM
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Re: $60 - BVB - If I wanted to fold all day I\'d work in a doily factor
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FWIW - I pushed, villain didn't think very long and called with KJs. Certainly lending credence to the check-and-value-bet approach. I've been racking my brains trying to figure out exactly what is going through villain's minds when they do stuff like this. Here is the best I can come up with: "Well I'd rather limp and see a flop, but if I have to call a push I will." Sound close? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. It's called "Loose Weak". The vast majority of players on Party think this way on the vast majority of the hands they play (although fewer at the higher levels). I imagine it's close on Stars.
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#13
06-03-2006, 03:02 AM
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Re: $60 - BVB - If I wanted to fold all day I\'d work in a doily factor
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[ QUOTE ] FWIW - I pushed, villain didn't think very long and called with KJs. Certainly lending credence to the check-and-value-bet approach. I've been racking my brains trying to figure out exactly what is going through villain's minds when they do stuff like this. Here is the best I can come up with: "Well I'd rather limp and see a flop, but if I have to call a push I will." Sound close? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. It's called "Loose Weak". The vast majority of players on Party think this way on the vast majority of the hands they play (although fewer at the higher levels). I imagine it's close on Stars. [/ QUOTE ] And the way to beat loose weak players is to value bet them to death. Let that be a lesson to you, son. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#16
06-03-2006, 05:03 AM
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Re: $60 - BVB - If I wanted to fold all day I\'d work in a doily factor
jesus, given your read, i still push very quickly. i mean, put him on a range that makes this push -EV and how often does he hold one of those hands? my god you have QTo heads up. do you realize how good your hand is?
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#17
06-03-2006, 05:04 AM
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Re: $60 - BVB - If I wanted to fold all day I\'d work in a doily factor
after seeing curtains reply, he is spot on. you still have huge equity in pushing here against 95% of opponenets
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#18
06-03-2006, 05:06 AM
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Re: $60 - BVB - If I wanted to fold all day I\'d work in a doily factor
btw, most of the time when i see a calling station it applies to post flop and not to a push here. so unless you think you can really outplay him enough to make a big cEV gain, i push PF.
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#19
06-03-2006, 10:24 AM
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Re: $60 - BVB - If I wanted to fold all day I\'d work in a doily factor
Push PF will usually work - seems to work best when opponent is in the mold of complete pf/auto-bet flop player. At least if you had seen that kind of action before, you'd be certain of pushing pf.
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