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Old 05-23-2006, 07:13 AM
creedofhubris creedofhubris is offline
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Default Re: I am probably one of the worst 10/20 players this week

haha I never get to say this but:

misplayed on every street!
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Old 05-23-2006, 12:13 PM
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Default Re: I am probably one of the worst 10/20 players this week

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He won't call all in on flop w/ AA?

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why should he? he basically beats a complete bluff

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so if the flop is KQ8 are u shoving to bluff out AA? cmon.

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No, because while AA is a part of his range so is KK/QQ and this bluff would probably end up being -EV.
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Old 05-23-2006, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: I am probably one of the worst 10/20 players this week

Oh my did that preflop 4-bet royally [censored] up this hand. How does villain view you? This is VERY important as in regards to what he would ever cold-call that 750 with. For a LOT (most of them) of players (this against all but the most loose/aggro of players, e.g B-Buddy types), this would be AA or KK ONLY.
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Old 05-23-2006, 12:58 PM
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Default Re: I am probably one of the worst 10/20 players this week

Sklansky would probably say that you should not be bluffing with a hand that has so much calling value. Save your 4-bets for junk/suited-connectors and premium hands.

I can understand the flop check but you must get in in on the turn.
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Old 05-23-2006, 01:36 PM
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Default Re: I am probably one of the worst 10/20 players this week

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Sklansky would probably say that you should not be bluffing with a hand that has so much calling value. Save your 4-bets for junk/suited-connectors and premium hands.

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This is what I was gonna say.
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Old 05-23-2006, 02:00 PM
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Default Re: I am probably one of the worst 10/20 players this week

Preflop is kind of weird since it's a steal situation. My raise means any pair, any suited connector, any suited Broadway, etc. His reraise means a better hand than 99 most of the time, but it doesn't mean strictly QQ+, so I don't feel that calling just to catch a set would not be profitable. I could always call and try to outplay him, but that will often cost me my stack (especially how I'm running lately). I decided to turn 99 into 22 (which is essentially the same against a big pair) and pop it back. I expect him to fold JJ/TT here; possibly even QQ. I think I'm generally perceived as tight and straightforward preflop. The plan, again, was to avoid putting any more money in unless I hit a set, because to call my 3-raise, he will almost always have KK/AA/AKs--maybe QQ.

Although there's a good chance I'm ahead on the flop (AA, AKs non-spades), I can't bet because I won't get action from a hand I beat. Look at it from his perspective: he reraises AA, gets 3-raised, and calls to c/r all-in on the flop. I probably have KK or QQ and maybe AK. Flop KQx, now he beats only AK, and why would I bet AK that loses to every hand?

I agree that the turn is awful though. I realize that most posters will say to jam it and not to worry about a higher set, but I just hate drawing dead, and if I'm not dead, he has a quarter of the deck to win. Maybe someone will come in and math this?

It's funny though; a day or two before, I was putting myself in trouble by reraising 99-JJ and realized they're probably the worst hands to mess around with preflop, so I decided not to do that again. Obviously I didn't learn.
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Old 05-23-2006, 02:01 PM
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Default Re: I am probably one of the worst 10/20 players this week

So why would u push in on turn then? Arent u 80% behind on turn as well?
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Old 05-23-2006, 02:03 PM
Almtom Almtom is offline
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Default Re: I am probably one of the worst 10/20 players this week

Raise flopp if he have you oversetted big deal rebuy and go after him again.
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Old 05-23-2006, 02:08 PM
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Default Re: I am probably one of the worst 10/20 players this week

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I agree that the turn is awful though. I realize that most posters will say to jam it and not to worry about a higher set, but I just hate drawing dead, and if I'm not dead, he has a quarter of the deck to win. Maybe someone will come in and math this?

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If he's got AA-QQ, AKs PF, I am 100% sure he doesn't have a quarter of the deck as outs when behind on the turn.
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Old 05-23-2006, 02:10 PM
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Default Re: I am probably one of the worst 10/20 players this week

wtf are you doing preflop.

call and try to hit top set and go from there.

flop is terrible

turn is terrible

bet out the flop and fold to a raise.

youve completely screwed up an easy hand to play.
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