99, 2nd pair, mono flop, a c/r

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Quickly, to showdown!

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[Jeffage]

This isn't too tough. He could literally checkraise with any pair or big spade. If he has a jack, he prob doesn't have a spade to go with it. You don't fold this hand. In fact, I'd likely call the flop raise and then raise most non-spade cards on the turn. But I'm lagtastic like that.

Jeff

[gaming_mouse]

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In fact, I'd likely call the flop raise and then raise most non-spade cards on the turn. But I'm lagtastic like that.


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Jeff, I don't get it.

If he has a big spade, he's calling your raise but won't bluff at the river, so your line is about even w/ a calldown, maybe a little ahead b/c he won't always bluff the river, but then again you get 3b bluffed sometimes, even w/ this oppo.

If he has a J, he's calling your raise and calling down unless he has no spade to go with it AND a spade hits the river (somewhat unlikely parlay). In this case your line seems worse than a cd.

In any case, you have no FE so I don't follow your reasoning. Please explain.

Thanks,
gm

[PartyGirlUK]

gm,

folding here is TERRIBLE.

Dean

[gaming_mouse]

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gm,

folding here is TERRIBLE.

Dean

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seems to be the consensus. thanks dean.

[Jeffage]

Short version before I got to a meeting.

There is a decent chance you are ahead; you charge him the max to suck out if he has a spade draw and he may call your turn raise with a pair and no spade backup b/c he sees you just making a showdown move with ace high. If he calls your raise and checks the river when a spade hits, you can usually bet for value wheras if he leads (as he would with a nut or near nut flush), you just muck.

It just feels right to me - but I might suck to be honest.

Jeff

[Gildwulf]

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Short version before I got to a meeting.

There is a decent chance you are ahead; you charge him the max to suck out if he has a spade draw and he may call your turn raise with a pair and no spade backup b/c he sees you just making a showdown move with ace high. If he calls your raise and checks the river when a spade hits, you can usually bet for value wheras if he leads (as he would with a nut or near nut flush), you just muck.

It just feels right to me - but I might suck to be honest.

Jeff

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You muck a donked river getting 11.5-1?

[Jeffage]

If I took this line, I'd pretty strongly consider it. When you raise the turn here, he will prob think you either have a big pair you want to protect or just have the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. When the spade comes, if he still leads into you, he doesn't fear it at all and should based on the preceeding action. I think he'll have you beat close to 100 percent of the time. Would he really donk a jack there? What spade does he have that's not bigger than a nine if he takes that line? I dunno, if you see him as totally nuts, then I guess you could pay off the river.

I really do like raising a clean turn though personally.

Jeff

[gaming_mouse]

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If I took this line, I'd pretty strongly consider it. When you raise the turn here, he will prob think you either have a big pair you want to protect or just have the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. When the spade comes, if he still leads into you, he doesn't fear it at all and should based on the preceeding action. I think he'll have you beat close to 100 percent of the time. Would he really donk a jack there? What spade does he have that's not bigger than a nine if he takes that line? I dunno, if you see him as totally nuts, then I guess you could pay off the river.

I really do like raising a clean turn though personally.

Jeff

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good stuff.

[shejk]

I like your advice, apart from folding a donked river. Quite often rivers like this get donked by good nonflush hands like two pair and sets, and rightly so. A nonflush hand will most likely check behind, and they can safely fold to a raise (not that they always do).