How many fold this? - Page 2

PokerPadawan · #11 01-14-2006, 02:41 AM

You're scared of exactly T9? C'mon ...

I see people flop two pair and wait to raise all the time. They want you to keep betting. He maybe even have just a J and be bluffing.

Leader · #12 01-14-2006, 02:42 AM

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3-betting here would be bad.

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No, it's a lot closer to a 3-bet then a fold.

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doesn't mean 3-betting is better than calling

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I agree. Not against an unknown. I'd 3-bet this easily against someone that is moderately LAGy.

PokerPadawan · #13 01-14-2006, 02:42 AM

And he almost never has a 3 here.

milesdyson · #14 01-14-2006, 02:44 AM

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You're scared of exactly T9? C'mon ...

I see people flop two pair and wait to raise all the time. They want you to keep betting. He maybe even have just a J and be bluffing.

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there is also a chance he has a 3. discount J8 a bit because he already had two pair on the flop and you're looking at nine combos each of J7 and 87 which is now a middle two pair and behind any jack. T9 makes up 16 hands with which he will extract max value from us.

so "exactly" T9 is a little overexaggerated. he will have it often.

PokerPadawan · #15 01-14-2006, 02:44 AM

Bingo. So our options are call or 3-bet. I think against most of my opponents (3/6-5/10), this is probably a 3-bet. This is probably a bluff 10% of the time, too.

PokerPadawan · #16 01-14-2006, 02:49 AM

I agree that I exaggerated the rarity of T9, but most opponents at 6-max will push an OESD on the flop. I rarely see anyone but the biggest rocks play it like this. This tends to make me discount it.

Of course, we'd probably have no arguments if OP had any reads. *Hint*

istewart · #17 01-14-2006, 02:51 AM

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I rarely see anyone but the biggest rocks play it like this.

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No way. People just call along pretty frequently imo.

mungpo · #18 01-14-2006, 02:55 AM

What makes you think that he almost never has a 3. I put him on a 3 as soon as he raised.

Leader · #19 01-14-2006, 03:00 AM

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What makes you think that he almost never has a 3. I put him on a 3 as soon as he raised.

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First, he's less likely to defend a 3. Second, many people aren't imaginative enough to wait for the river. Some certainly will, but not most I think.

will778 · #20 01-14-2006, 03:05 AM

I'm not folding this, 3-betting or calling, either way I'm seeing a showdown.