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Old 05-20-2006, 07:57 PM
Phil153 Phil153 is offline
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Default Re: PLO8 calling/re-raising pre flop pot size bet from AA2x

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See where I'm going with this...?

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lol. I see a 10K heads up freezeout in our future.
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Old 05-20-2006, 08:28 PM
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Default Re: PLO8 calling/re-raising pre flop pot size bet from AA2x

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See where I'm going with this...?

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lol. I see a 10K heads up freezeout in our future.

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maybe we can arrange to have A34Jss dealt every hand, too.
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Old 05-20-2006, 09:55 PM
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Default Re: PLO8 calling/re-raising pre flop pot size bet from AA2x

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See where I'm going with this...?

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lol. I see a 10K heads up freezeout in our future.

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maybe we can arrange to have A34Jss dealt every hand, too.

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i hate to say it, but, tu che.
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Old 05-20-2006, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: PLO8 calling/re-raising pre flop pot size bet from AA2x

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i hate to say it, but, tu che.

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I hate to say it, but touche cannot be used by a third party as it is a direct acknowledgement of a hit by one's opponent. Flailing your sword about in the air does not qualify as a touche, however.

Further clarification is available on the internet:

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touched [French] In fencing, a touch of a sword on the opponent's body is worth a point. Thus, touché has come to mean a score or a point, often used figuratively in verbal fencing and spoken by the person against whom the point was scored.

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I think the term you were looking for is "NH".
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Old 05-20-2006, 10:28 PM
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Default Re: PLO8 calling/re-raising pre flop pot size bet from AA2x

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i hate to say it, but, tu che.

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I hate to say it, but touche cannot be used by a third party as it is a direct acknowledgement of a hit by one's opponent. Flailing your sword about in the air does not qualify as a touche, however.

Further clarification is available on the internet:

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touched [French] In fencing, a touch of a sword on the opponent's body is worth a point. Thus, touché has come to mean a score or a point, often used figuratively in verbal fencing and spoken by the person against whom the point was scored.

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I think the term you were looking for is "NH".

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I think your time would be better spent playing poker, phil.
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Old 05-20-2006, 10:32 PM
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Default Re: PLO8 calling/re-raising pre flop pot size bet from AA2x

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I think your time would be better spent playing poker, phil

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touche
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Old 05-20-2006, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: PLO8 calling/re-raising pre flop pot size bet from AA2x

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I think your time would be better spent playing poker, phil

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touche

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Old 05-21-2006, 02:04 AM
Ray Zee Ray Zee is offline
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Default Re: PLO8 calling/re-raising pre flop pot size bet from AA2x

to all those reading, i usually advocate very tight play in these spots. it is the right way to play and the right decision. but this is for poker in general and not for someones specific limit or game selection. i cant address that accurately. i dont know what limit a person is playing. i only can give the right play assuming coherent players that are likely to respond with fairly correct plays back at you. thats poker advice. if you are playing with total fools at small stakes or even big ones your best judgement against those players is usually the right play. and what is the current mode of play this month or even this year is going to change, and if you arent playing or cant play correctly you will not win as the game evolves. that said, i stand by not playing out of position a bare ace three hand in pot limit. you will not fair well. i am addressing full ring games in general. short handed you can make it work or small stakes against bad players who call with bad lows. not against decent players and certainly not calling raisees with it.
and also if you have limpers in and you now call a pot sized raise, you should be aware that with decent players you should expect to get rerasied some of the time and that alone makes it tough to call without a hand to stand a reraise. and that hand should probably be rerasing.
and to end it. if you can profitably win with ace three blank blank in pot limit omaha eight from out of position. you are playing in great games and should continue to do so. and if you are playing in games with good players and can win with that you are far better than i will ever be and can disregard my advice. thanks.
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Old 05-21-2006, 03:35 AM
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if you can profitably win with ace three blank blank in pot limit omaha eight from out of position. you are playing in great games and should continue to do so.

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Ray, this is definitely the case.
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Old 05-21-2006, 12:37 PM
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Precisely what flop are you going to be "making better decisions" on against a tight player? How often does said flop occur?

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Hm.



So I guess the question of whether there are enough positive-equity situations postflop to justify calling 1/20th of your stack preflop with a big dog depends on your opponents' tendencies. If he marries aces, you are probably justified. If he plays very well postflop, then you might be better off folding.

Also, many of these large-advantage situations will be ones where scary boards for his hand fall like TT6 with two spades or something. Is this player the type susceptible to being outplayed in those instances?

IMO calling/folding is probably pretty close to neutral EV, and the way it shades just depends on your postflop ability vs your opponents as well as your relative familiarity with one another's playing styles.
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