Critique this hand please... AA in the money with 2nd biggest stack - Page 2

ZBTHorton · #11 05-13-2006, 02:41 AM

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Okay, so pushing post-flop in your opinion is best.
Is folding less bad than calling?

What range of hands do you put MP1 on at this point?

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No, pushing pre-flop is clearly best, that was a HUGE mistake.

I think post flop = pushing >>>>> folding/calling.

The only reason to call down here, is to keep the pot small. , but the hand should have never gotten to that point.

As far as range, I have no idea. He played the hand like a total moron.

grafyx · #12 05-13-2006, 02:44 AM

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I'll critique the whole hand real quick.

#1. The initial re-raise is too small. It should be like..5600 probably.

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I agree. This should be around 5600-6kish.

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#2. The call of the push is completely atrocious. This is as easy of a push as it gets.

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I think he can only call. No?

edit for clarity: The push is less than the raise made be hero, so hero can only call when hte action gets back to him the 2nd time.

Dromar · #13 05-13-2006, 02:45 AM

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Okay, so pushing post-flop in your opinion is best.
Is folding less bad than calling?

What range of hands do you put MP1 on at this point?

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First, I'd say that everyone so far as said that pushing preflop in their opinion is best. That's also my opinion. By not pushing preflop, you put yourself in difficult situations when the flop came bad for you. It would have been much better to have been sucked out on after getting all the money in as the favorite than to let MP1 see the flop and flop trip Qs, which he probably did. Then, you just sat there calling like a ... a calling station! Where's the aggression?

Unfortunately, every decision you could possibly make after the flop was a mistake, because you shouldn't have had to make any decisions by the flop.

I'm happy that you're not happy with how this hand was played.

EDIT: Sorry to come off so harsh, but that was just painful to witness.

ZBTHorton · #14 05-13-2006, 02:46 AM

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I'll critique the whole hand real quick.

#1. The initial re-raise is too small. It should be like..5600 probably.

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I agree. This should be around 5600-6kish.

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#2. The call of the push is completely atrocious. This is as easy of a push as it gets.

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I think he can only call. No?

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mis-read..-Z

grafyx · #15 05-13-2006, 02:48 AM

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obviously not, if it was raised behind him?

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Deleted cuz I mis-read previous reply from you.. - Z

livenowson · #16 05-13-2006, 02:51 AM

Just push this preflop. Aces are better with less people in the pot.

FuriousD · #17 05-13-2006, 03:09 AM

Thanks for the input. Like I said, I wasn't proud of the way I played it -- post-flop anyway.

I think my real reason for posting this that I wonder if there is any advise for preventing or dealing with the sort of brain farts that occurred in this hand.

If I did my own analysis of this hand without help, I would have easily noticed that the second flop call was extremely bad.

At the time I couldn't deal with the emotional aspects of what was going on -- the inintial mild elation of getting the aces dealt, followed by corresponding anxiety about the possibilty of getting broke by the big stack when I was on course to a very good finish.

I think the relative complexity of the hand compared to the hands of the previous few levels -- those were simple (for me) decisions, and I can't remember many multiway pots -- was a factor.

FuriousD · #18 05-13-2006, 03:21 AM

Sorry to come off so harsh, but that was just painful to witness.

Not at all a problem: it was painful to experience!

Like I wrote in a different response, I'm interested in preventing the kind of brain farts that temporarily turned me into a calling station here.

pdjplano · #19 05-13-2006, 03:22 AM

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if there is any advise for preventing or dealing with the sort of brain farts that occurred in this hand.

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if someone has this down, many of us would pay a pretty penny. i can't begin to count the number of ways i screw up in a MTT within that 15 second window [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

grafyx · #20 05-13-2006, 03:31 AM

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If I did my own analysis of this hand without help, I would have easily noticed that the second flop call was extremely bad.

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You can not go all in here. Your options are to call or fold. This is why you just called. The 2nd flop call was not a mistake, it was mandatory.