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Old 05-08-2006, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: Look death in the eye and laugh. $77 reg, AQ hand, late.

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Ok, so my title is melodramatic, but here is a common spot, you've raised a large hand on the bubble and someone has repushed. Reads are important. Even while ten tabling, I saw that this opponent used to have a huge stack that he was pushing around on the bubble, about 1.75 times per orbit (like a little less than two out of three spots that he could). The guy to his left doubled up through him a few hands ago. Also, I just restole by pushing all in off the guy to his left two hands ago and I get the vibe off him that he is frisky and wants to be active on the bubble. By not pushing here, he may take that as weakness.

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PartyPoker $77 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t2308)
Hero (t5470)
SB (t6018)
BB (t6204)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t1600</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to t6018 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

Hero?

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1) adieu is spelled wrong. its french.

2) very valid comments so far that im too lazy to directly quote. dont raise yourself into a corner. with your own read you should be insta-calling as played but in general you should be pushing PF. i can even see a limp PF to induce a push but i dont like the line.
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Old 05-08-2006, 09:27 PM
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Default Re: Look death in the eye and laugh. $77 reg, AQ hand, late.

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1) adieu is spelled wrong. its french.

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Umm, wrong ado. That's always a risk to being a nit and correcting other folks' grammar on the internet.
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Old 05-08-2006, 09:57 PM
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Default Re: Look death in the eye and laugh. $77 reg, AQ hand, late.

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$-EV wise, you honestly should fold this now, even if he were to turn his 75s face-up on the table.

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huh? the call against 75s is +1.4%
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Old 05-08-2006, 10:36 PM
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Default Re: Look death in the eye and laugh. $77 reg, AQ hand, late.

Fine then, T9s or K3s or whatever. I gave a bad example without looking at the math. I was just trying to illustrate how important it is to push rather than raise less, which remains true.
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Old 05-08-2006, 10:45 PM
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Default Re: Look death in the eye and laugh. $77 reg, AQ hand, late.

actually it is +ev against any non-paired hand except AK
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Old 05-08-2006, 10:52 PM
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actually it is +ev against any non-paired hand except AQ/AK

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Who cares about EV? I care about money, calling here is giving away a ton of cash.

Not shoving initially is pretty bad. Side note, if SB is doing this with 75s he's a bigger donk.
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Old 05-08-2006, 11:12 PM
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Default Re: Look death in the eye and laugh. $77 reg, AQ hand, late.

Quote:"Fine then, T9s or K3s or whatever. I gave a bad example without looking at the math. I was just trying to illustrate how important it is to push rather than raise less, which remains true."

Which translated means: I don't have a [censored] clue what I'm talking about because I didn't look at the math.
Look EV is not something you have a feeling about. It is a well defined quantity which you calculate.

I think the responses to my post have been thought provoking , but they are almost all wrong.

This call (with a huge pot already) only needs to have a winning percentage of 55.6 to be profitable.
Against K3s, AQo is 60.8% for a nice profit!

Bill Poker's analysis was correct. AK is the only non pair to be concerned about.
Against the top 20% of hands, which is less than what I put him on, the call is correct.
In addition, stacks are still deep enough that I am flat called occasionally. In addition, I can make this raise with hands that I would throw away here and so I can steal the blinds more often.
I find it interesting that so many people assumed they could guess the mathmatically corrrect answer and did not bother actually calculating anything.
I also think that I would fold this push if it was the BB who was making it. This fold would be very profitable. His range is TT+, AK. A normal, tightish range.
This is why I think the raise is so much more profitable.
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Old 05-08-2006, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: Look death in the eye and laugh. $77 reg, AQ hand, late.

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dont raise yourself into a corner. with your own read you should be insta-calling as played but in general you should be pushing PF. i can even see a limp PF to induce a push but i dont like the line.

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Old 05-08-2006, 11:27 PM
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limping pf is totally different. You then have to be a 64.2% favorite which you can not be. Then the call is horrible.
limping &lt; pushing &lt; raising

The real reason that people like pushing is so they do not have to play post flop poker.
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Old 05-08-2006, 11:34 PM
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Default Re: Look death in the eye and laugh. $77 reg, AQ hand, late.

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limping pf is totally different. You then have to be a 64.2% favorite which you can not be. Then the call is horrible.
limping &lt; pushing &lt; raising

The real reason that people like pushing is so they do not have to play post flop poker.

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wow. thats all I have to say. wow.
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