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Old 05-01-2006, 01:40 PM
locutus2002 locutus2002 is offline
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Default Re: Early stage hand against the Grinder

I splash around in the early stages; you guys need to get over the 73s-. If it makes you feel better pretend I had KJ of clubs preflop (the cards aren't that important here).

1) How much is he folding on the river? Am I better off checking when he will push the best and the worst hand. We are both ~short at level I.

2) Would you show.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: Early stage hand against the Grinder

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1) How much is he folding on the river? Am I better off checking when he will push the best and the worst hand. We are both ~short at level I.


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fold preflop

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2) Would you show.


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...fold preflop
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:42 PM
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I splash around in the early stages; you guys need to get over the 73s-. If it makes you feel better pretend I had KJ of clubs preflop (the cards aren't that important here).


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This is an absurd and fundamentally wrong statement. Or explanation. Or excuse. Whatever you want to call it, it's ridiculous.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:44 PM
Jason Strasser (strassa2) Jason Strasser (strassa2) is offline
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Default Re: Early stage hand against the Grinder

If you had KJ of clubs and did the same thing, I'd say the same thing: Open raise. I think opening 73s with these stacks is acceptable depending on a few things. But if you choose not to fold it is so clear that raising is infinitely better than limping, which is also infinitely better than limp,calling, especially against a loose player like the grinder.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:45 PM
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Default Re: Early stage hand against the Grinder

I wouldn't show if my plan was to continue to call 10% of my stack OOP against The Grinder (or similar players) with hands like 73s.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:46 PM
Jason Strasser (strassa2) Jason Strasser (strassa2) is offline
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wtf? fold preflop. fold preflop. fold preflop.

checkfold flop. checkfold river.

edit: he's betting neither a 7 nor a T on the river.

if you have no shame, feel free to show. I would be waaay too embarassed.

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i'd bet my house he is valuebetting a ten on the river if checked to.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: Early stage hand against the Grinder

How about a limpraise bluff preflop. I like it better than the limp/call.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:52 PM
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Default Re: Early stage hand against the Grinder

I want to know the table reaction (especially The Grinder) when you showed.
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Old 05-01-2006, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: Early stage hand against the Grinder

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I splash around in the early stages; you guys need to get over the 73s-. If it makes you feel better pretend I had KJ of clubs preflop (the cards aren't that important here).

1) How much is he folding on the river? Am I better off checking when he will push the best and the worst hand. We are both ~short at level I.

2) Would you show.

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Splashing around in the early stages is one thing. Limping pure garbage in EP with a loose raiser behind you when you have less than 50 BB is -EV.

As far as the river goes, I don't think he folds anything you lose to, or calls anything you beat. Bet more or check. I guess I would show if I got that far, because you will certainly have a donk image and get paid off if you make something good.
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Old 05-01-2006, 03:18 PM
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Default Re: Early stage hand against the Grinder

This is rediculous. Just absolutely absurd. I don't care if you are the best poker player alive you can't make money limp calling 73s out of position.
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