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Old 10-05-2007, 12:03 PM
BarryLyndon BarryLyndon is offline
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Default Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 1, Stack Sizes

Actually, 16-20BB stack is very difficult for me. Say, 50/100 blinds, 2000, in the UTG, UTG+1, and sometimes MP1. I'm almost entirely unsure what to do with 66-88, AJ-AQ. I itch to play those hands. My default is to raise to 275, but there are always a myriad of problems:

1. A big stack who floats me and goes to school on me when I miss.

2. A stack at around 1000 - 1200 that comes over the top.

Should I open limp and give up to a raise, assuming the raise isn't coming from a shorty? Open fold? How does table dynamics effect things here?

Barry
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:39 PM
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Default Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 1, Stack Sizes

Sherman, i think you bring up a valid point.

I've recently been playing a few smaller stakes tournaments to try and get a good HH to post here about how LAG you can get. What i've noticed is that few players know they can resteal so i think at tables full of weak/tights at 14-20 BB's raise/folding is totally fine.

Barry, i think utg at like 16 BB's i end up folding AJ but raising AQ intending to fold to a reraise in most spots.

I prolly fold 66, maybe 77, but i'm opening 88.

Agreed that it's an awkward spot. I think basically if you raise one of these hands in EP at this stack just play it super straight forward and don't expect people to get out of line with you.
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Old 10-05-2007, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 1, Stack Sizes

there already is this term called "M" that the majority of people know and understand, is there some fundamental flaw in the concept of M that requires you to replace it with this "true BB"? it doesn't seem conceptually different in any way at all except that you are using 2/3 of the pot instead of the whole pot in making your calculations
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Old 10-06-2007, 04:44 AM
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Default Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 1, Stack Sizes

Great post, looking forward to part 2
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Old 10-06-2007, 05:33 AM
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Default Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 1, Stack Sizes

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there already is this term called "M" that the majority of people know and understand, is there some fundamental flaw in the concept of M that requires you to replace it with this "true BB"? it doesn't seem conceptually different in any way at all except that you are using 2/3 of the pot instead of the whole pot in making your calculations

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I'll be 100% honest with you. MikeJ and Curtains were the big proponents to me with the true BB. At first i resisted, then once i converted over to it i really liked it. I'll ask one of them to come and explain why it's good, as they are way smarter with technical/mathematical stuff.
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:58 AM
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Default Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 1, Stack Sizes

Bond, curious on your thoughts on getting deepstacked early. I find myself in this spot frequently as lower limits have plenty of opponents that will gladly donate their stack with top pair, say blinds 15/30 we have a stack of 5000 and the usual SSMTT 40/3 opponents, with a couple decent players at the table. Curious on your take here, keep in mind, we are playing vs opponents that are not the least bit aware of our stack, let alone hesitant to enter a pot oop against it, and are weak post flop. I need a little help here as I don't seem to chip up as I should. I am beginning to see more flops in position, floating weak post flop players in position and opening a wider range in late position. I've had mixed success as fold equity is not as strong here comparing to HSMTT. I have read MLG's going deep, but it is written more for strategy vs thinking players, I feel SSMTT has too many players willing to go broke with TPTK not to inflate pots when we hit or have big draws.
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:43 PM
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Default Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 1, Stack Sizes

Most guys need to remember that "M" and "True BB" are just shortcuts. The math is there for everyone. We have to pot size, we have to stack size. I make more moves off of pots =>20% my stack size than anything else. I could be really deep and make the same moves pre-flop (effective stacks).

If you stand back and think "What will I do on the flop if I get flat called?" "What will I do if I get reraised?" And just cut out the middleman.

If you'll call the reraise, then just jam. If you'll jam any flop, then just jam. If you're going to weaktight the flop, probably fold, and if you're going to fold to a reraise, probably just fold.

^^^^Shortstacks only apply please. I don't mean 40BB stacks here, obviously, unless your effective stack is less.
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Old 10-06-2007, 02:07 PM
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Default Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 1, Stack Sizes

at what position do you stop open shoving 10 true bb's?

what are the range differences between EP/MP/LP
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Old 10-06-2007, 09:16 PM
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Default Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 1, Stack Sizes

M is retarded, true BB is much more accurate and easier to grasp, but maybe that's because I grew up playing SnGs in which it's really ridiculous to not think in terms of BBs.

btw is true BB same thing that I do? Basically just take 2/3rds of antes, add them to BB etc etc and thats the new effective BB? I wrote article on this over a year ago.
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Old 10-06-2007, 09:21 PM
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Default Re: Things it took me a while to learn part 1, Stack Sizes

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M is retarded, true BB is much more accurate and easier to grasp, but maybe that's because I grew up playing SnGs in which it's really ridiculous to not think in terms of BBs.

btw is true BB same thing that I do? Basically just take 2/3rds of antes, add them to BB etc etc and thats the new effective BB? I wrote article on this over a year ago.

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That's the one curtains. Do you mind explaining a little in detail why you find it preferable to M?
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