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#11
09-17-2007, 03:37 AM
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Re: When is it right to play AXs
variance is why you could be a loser on those hands. Heck I was a loser on JJ until I think I hit 100k hands. It happens.
AxS is good because of its nut flush capability and A5s- A2s for the wheel and the flush. A8s A9s sometimes has high pair value. So I tend to raise them only in late position with 1 caller and limp with more than 1. I usually RFI the wheel cards no matter where I am, unless I am on a table full of aggros in which case I limp. I dump bottom pair, back door flush draws and even top pair if I am between probable action and don't have the odds to continue (ie I never assume my A is good when its raised ahead of me). I peel flush draws obviously, even without odds for implied odds Playing Axs or otherwise for top pair value is where you lose a lot of money. Understand that and its a lot easier to know when to play them. 
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#12
09-17-2007, 09:56 AM
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Re: When is it right to play AXs
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Playing Axs or otherwise for top pair value is where you lose a lot of money. Understand that and its a lot easier to know when to play them. [/ QUOTE ] what do you mean by this? if you flop top pair with Axs and auto-fold you are leaving money on the table and might as well fold preflop.
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#13
09-17-2007, 10:21 AM
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Re: When is it right to play AXs
Really?
How do you play A7s from UTG or middle position preflop? with an Ace on the flop and no flush value profitably against 3 yet to act? Raise it? 3 callers follow now what? Check it and its raised back to you from the CO what do you do now? No fold equity here, no flush draws and 3 outers are not great to play. Unless of course you get to play guys who bluff raise any ace board with any two cards consistently. I typically avoid dominated hands when I get the chance. Sure sometimes I could have shown down winner but I would rather put my money in with better edges than I get with those hands.
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#14
09-17-2007, 11:43 AM
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Re: When is it right to play AXs
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Really? How do you play A7s from UTG or middle position preflop? with an Ace on the flop and no flush value profitably against 3 yet to act? Raise it? 3 callers follow now what? Check it and its raised back to you from the CO what do you do now? No fold equity here, no flush draws and 3 outers are not great to play. Unless of course you get to play guys who bluff raise any ace board with any two cards consistently. I typically avoid dominated hands when I get the chance. Sure sometimes I could have shown down winner but I would rather put my money in with better edges than I get with those hands. [/ QUOTE ] with a "hit a flush draw/2 pair or fold" strategy imo you should be folding Axs preflop from anywhere but button and CO. it isnt worth risking a raise behind you if you are only playing for a flush. If i hit top pair with Axs I assume my hand is boss unless the action tells me otherwise. I dont assume I'm outkicked. If theres a bet and raise, or a bet and multiple callers before it gets to me, I fold. I also will check my TP in EP. A single flop bet with none or one caller however is not going to make me toss the hand.
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#15
09-17-2007, 12:18 PM
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Re: When is it right to play AXs
There is a huge difference between playing Axs in EP in the hopes of a favourable flop than folding.
There is a huge difference in playing Axs in EP and raising it than folding. To play A6 - A8s in MP is tough and I fold it more often than not. Of course I call a single flop bet with one caller if I have top pair with no kicker but its still a weak made hand. Those situations where my Ace holds up to the raiser are not enough to make the equity I gain by calling 3 bets often enough imo. Many people will call 3 bets here. I think that is a losing situation.
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#16
09-17-2007, 02:22 PM
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Re: When is it right to play AXs
isnt X= T,J,Q,K? and x= other stuff? And I mean open raise.
I'm not raising A2o [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img], but ATo UTG seems OK to me when I expect a couple of CCers with ATC, no?
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#17
09-17-2007, 07:24 PM
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Re: When is it right to play AXs
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isnt X= T,J,Q,K? and x= other stuff? And I mean open raise. I'm not raising A2o [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img], but ATo UTG seems OK to me when I expect a couple of CCers with ATC, no? [/ QUOTE ] lol ... 'X' isn't 'x' ... if I could find good pics to post like others do - I believe it would be time for some Gary Coleman [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] ATo, A8s+ seems pretty standard to me if the players in the game generally suck ... TUFFER games require you to tighten up some though - but in nitter games it opens up a little past that (if you can fold fold an ace)
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#18
09-17-2007, 07:27 PM
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Re: When is it right to play AXs
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isnt X= T,J,Q,K? and x= other stuff? And I mean open raise. I'm not raising A2o [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img], but ATo UTG seems OK to me when I expect a couple of CCers with ATC, no? [/ QUOTE ] x = rag, like x < 9 (by definition)
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#20
09-17-2007, 10:37 PM
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Re: When is it right to play AXs
To me when I read AX, I think X (or x) = any card. Personally when reading hand ranges I find it easier when typed ATo+ as for this specific example. However I've never heard of X = broadway, x =< 9 before. Personally I think this is too confusing (ie is OP's question only relating to ATs+?). Also how would u type A plus any kicker? (ima guessing A+)
I didn't want to sound like a douche, but I rly thought u meant any offsuit Ace.
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