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Old 08-28-2007, 03:09 AM
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Default Re: thin calldown vs reef

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nice call on the river when everything hits

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how often do you think you will look at QT here?
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Old 08-28-2007, 03:11 AM
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Default Re: thin calldown vs reef

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nice call on the river when everything hits

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how often do you think you will look at QT here?

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as often as Im looking at a flush
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Old 08-28-2007, 03:11 AM
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Default Re: thin calldown vs reef

flushes are really good hands and not easy to have
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Old 08-28-2007, 03:20 AM
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Default Re: thin calldown vs reef

i just noticed that this isn't a standard sb v bb confrontation, which i'd say changes the dynamic of this hand hugely
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Old 08-28-2007, 04:59 AM
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Default Re: thin calldown vs reef

Probably would bet turn here, or perhaps c/r it if you check. He's rarely strong enough to call a c/r (or maybe he'll make a hero call with a worse hand/draw!), but if you just call, lots of rivers are rough for you decision-wise. Plus if he checks behind, you have a much smaller pot to worry about being behind in when this river comes off.

As played, it comes down to you and him. Many players will fire this river with most of the hands they got there with, because they can, but then again all of his drawing hands did get there. So really the only thing you're beating is a naked float, something like a pair of jacks turned into a bluff, or like T8. I think a fold would be well-advised without more specific reads.
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Old 08-28-2007, 05:12 AM
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Default Re: thin calldown vs reef

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Probably would bet turn here, or perhaps c/r it if you check. He's rarely strong enough to call a c/r (or maybe he'll make a hero call with a worse hand/draw!), but if you just call, lots of rivers are rough for you decision-wise. Plus if he checks behind, you have a much smaller pot to worry about being behind in when this river comes off.

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I think I disagree with everything you just wrote. Like PS said this isn't an usual blind vs. blind confrontation and I'd expect Reef's pf range to be pretty strong, so playing a big pot just seems dumb. I think your whole post comes off as justifying cookie-cutter plays at the expense of EV.
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Old 08-28-2007, 05:12 AM
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Default Re: thin calldown vs reef

I dont like the iso raise.

Fold river.
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Old 08-28-2007, 05:47 AM
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Default Re: thin calldown vs reef

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really the only thing you're beating is a naked float, something like a pair of jacks turned into a bluff, or like T8. I think a fold would be well-advised without more specific reads.

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taken out of context, completely agree.
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Old 08-28-2007, 05:48 AM
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Default Re: thin calldown vs reef

don't like pf, but if i was to iso-raise i'd make it at least $30. river is a fold, no need for fps imo.
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Old 08-28-2007, 05:59 AM
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Default Re: thin calldown vs reef

horrible hand to isolate oop with, horrible spot to call down in
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