NL10 Preflop Question - Page 2

Mazzinger · #11 05-16-2007, 10:46 AM

What kind of reads do you have on the other players? With no reads, I usuallly raise with A8o on the button to steal the blinds. Fold in early position.

threads13 · #12 05-16-2007, 11:14 AM

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What kind of reads do you have on the other players? With no reads, I usuallly raise with A8o on the button to steal the blinds. Fold in early position.

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I will play this way first in, but that isn't what the OP is about.

If both players are weak-tight, as are the blinds, a raise/c-bet(most flops) becomes correct. If they are loose passive then a limp is fine because you can collect a lot from worse-aces, although I will would be careful because domination can be terrible.

Really, the common denominator is that the opponents have to be bad. After that you just need to figure out how to take advantage of them.

You should always look for reasons to play on the button against bad players.

I fold if both limpers are unknown.

Jeff76 · #13 05-16-2007, 11:17 AM

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Really, the common denominator is that the opponents have to be bad. After that you just need to figure out how to take advantage of them.

You should always look for reasons to play on the button against bad players.

[/ QUOTE ]Exactly right.

threads13 · #14 05-16-2007, 11:22 AM

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Really, the common denominator is that the opponents have to be bad. After that you just need to figure out how to take advantage of them.

You should always look for reasons to play on the button against bad players.

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I think we both have very similar ideas as far preflop play, especialy when it comes to playing the button.

Jay.Yang · #15 05-16-2007, 11:45 AM

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If both players are weak-tight, as are the blinds, a raise/c-bet(most flops) becomes correct.

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I think this becomes more to do with playing the opponents than playing your hands. If what you say is true (And I agree it's true), then you should do this on the BTN whenever you have a chance.

IMO, holding A8o (as the case here) makes no difference from holding 72o. Both hands are trash enough that they are approx the same in value in this situation.

Jeff76 · #16 05-16-2007, 11:56 AM

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IMO, holding A8o (as the case here) makes no difference from holding 72o. Both hands are trash enough that they are approx the same in value in this situation.

[/ QUOTE ]No way. A8 does surprisingly well against a bunch of limpers.

JoseRijo · #17 05-16-2007, 12:02 PM

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IMO, holding A8o (as the case here) makes no difference from holding 72o. Both hands are trash enough that they are approx the same in value in this situation.

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No. A8o is much worse because you can lose money with it in so many ways.

If you aren't going to raise pre-flop (and you shouldn't), then just fold. I've learned my lesson.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($1.75)
MP1 ($6)
MP2 ($10)
CO ($13.05)
Hero ($8.05)
SB ($9.90)
BB ($16.75)
UTG ($18.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $0.3, Hero calls $0.30, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($1.10) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: ($1.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.7, CO calls $0.70.

Final Pot: $2.50

Results in white below: 
CO has Tc Ah (one pair, tens).
Hero has As 8c (one pair, eights).
Outcome: CO wins $2.50.

threads13 · #18 05-16-2007, 12:23 PM

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IMO, holding A8o (as the case here) makes no difference from holding 72o. Both hands are trash enough that they are approx the same in value in this situation.

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No. A8o is much worse because you can lose money with it in so many ways.

If you aren't going to raise pre-flop (and you shouldn't), then just fold. I've learned my lesson.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($1.75)
MP1 ($6)
MP2 ($10)
CO ($13.05)
Hero ($8.05)
SB ($9.90)
BB ($16.75)
UTG ($18.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $0.3, Hero calls $0.30, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($1.10) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: ($1.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.7, CO calls $0.70.

Final Pot: $2.50

Results in white below: 
CO has Tc Ah (one pair, tens).
Hero has As 8c (one pair, eights).
Outcome: CO wins $2.50. 

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All the conditions I laid out gave reads. You have given none.

I don't like your flop play.

threads13 · #19 05-16-2007, 12:25 PM

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If both players are weak-tight, as are the blinds, a raise/c-bet(most flops) becomes correct.

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I think this becomes more to do with playing the opponents than playing your hands. If what you say is true (And I agree it's true), then you should do this on the BTN whenever you have a chance.

IMO, holding A8o (as the case here) makes no difference from holding 72o. Both hands are trash enough that they are approx the same in value in this situation.

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I agree, this comes into playing players and almost anything worth playing is worth raising against a weak-tight limper.

However, a better hand is still better in this situation.

JoseRijo · #20 05-16-2007, 12:49 PM

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All the conditions I laid out gave reads. You have given none.
I don't like your flop play.

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Sorry. The limpers were standard 10NL weak-nosotights. 26/3.5 and 22/0 each (only about 25 hands).

Was I supposed to fold the flop? Because the CO bet could mean anything or nothing at all. And I definitely don't want to start building a pot here.