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Old 04-10-2007, 08:15 AM
jmgambler jmgambler is offline
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Default Re: $50NL: Loose pfr puts Hero in tight spot...

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that I have 15 clean outs, therefore, I'm almost 60% to hit my hand, not 33% or so....

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12...... I wouldnt give an A as an out here, certainly not a clean one
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Old 04-10-2007, 08:24 AM
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Default Re: $50NL: Loose pfr puts Hero in tight spot...

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12...... I wouldnt give an A as an out here, certainly not a clean one

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'Clean outs' don't matter that much here as he obviously has 99-KK here way more often than AA.
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Old 04-10-2007, 08:34 AM
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12...... I wouldnt give an A as an out here, certainly not a clean one

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'Clean outs' don't matter that much here as he obviously has 99-KK here way more often than AA.

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I agree, anyone here raised with AK/AKs and Cbet on a rag flop?
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Old 04-10-2007, 08:47 AM
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Default Re: $50NL: Loose pfr puts Hero in tight spot...

Some of the advice in this thread has been awful. Hero has such an easy push on the flop. Are all of you guys saying fold forgetting the pot already has $20? Did y'all even attempt to calculate the odds?

Hero only needs about 40% equity to break even after pushing. That's committing the $39 left in hero's stack to win $20 in the pot plus $39, or about 1.5 - 1.

Hero usually has 15 outs (since QQ-KK is much more likely than AA) giving him 54% equity. When hero does not have the 15 outs, it's 12 outs which is still 45% equity. It's rare that villain has a set given his ABC pre-flop play thus far.

This push is a very basic and standard decision.

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Old 04-10-2007, 08:49 AM
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Default Re: $50NL: Loose pfr puts Hero in tight spot...

Push.
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Old 04-10-2007, 08:56 AM
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Default Re: $50NL: Loose pfr puts Hero in tight spot...

Preflop : Raise is totally standard but I hate your call of the 3-bet

Flop : Such an easy push
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Old 04-10-2007, 09:28 AM
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Default Re: $50NL: Loose pfr puts Hero in tight spot...

I fold to the rr pf, but whatever. Not getting it in here is burning money. You have a FD+gutter+over(most likely), 15-outer ftw when the pots this big already.
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Old 04-10-2007, 11:52 AM
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Default Re: $50NL: Loose pfr puts Hero in tight spot...

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Some of the advice in this thread has been awful. Hero has such an easy push on the flop. Are all of you guys saying fold forgetting the pot already has $20? Did y'all even attempt to calculate the odds?

Hero only needs about 40% equity to break even after pushing. That's committing the $39 left in hero's stack to win $20 in the pot plus $39, or about 1.5 - 1.

Hero usually has 15 outs (since QQ-KK is much more likely than AA) giving him 54% equity. When hero does not have the 15 outs, it's 12 outs which is still 45% equity. It's rare that villain has a set given his ABC pre-flop play thus far.

This push is a very basic and standard decision.

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I like this guy.
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Old 04-10-2007, 11:57 AM
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Default Re: $50NL: Loose pfr puts Hero in tight spot...

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Some of the advice in this thread has been awful. Hero has such an easy push on the flop. Are all of you guys saying fold forgetting the pot already has $20? Did y'all even attempt to calculate the odds?

Hero only needs about 40% equity to break even after pushing. That's committing the $39 left in hero's stack to win $20 in the pot plus $39, or about 1.5 - 1.

Hero usually has 15 outs (since QQ-KK is much more likely than AA) giving him 54% equity. When hero does not have the 15 outs, it's 12 outs which is still 45% equity. It's rare that villain has a set given his ABC pre-flop play thus far.

This push is a very basic and standard decision.

-Andrew

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good post thank you
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Old 04-10-2007, 03:59 PM
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Default Re: $50NL: Loose pfr puts Hero in tight spot...

Just wanted to double check...again, preflop...meh.


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.25/$0.50 Blinds
5 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
<u>SB: $49</u>
<font color="black">BB: $58.10</font>
<u>Hero (UTG): $45.25</u>
CO: $124.10
BTN: $101.10

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($0.75, 5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO folds, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $6.50</font>, BB calls $6, Hero calls $4.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($20, 3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $19.50</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $38.75</font>, SB calls $19.25

<font color="black">Turn:</font> T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($97.50, 2 Players - 1 All-In)
No Action

<font color="black">River:</font> 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($97.50, 2 Players - 1 All-In)
No Action

Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a straight, Six high) and won (+$48.75)
SB had K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and lost (-$45.50)

Pot Size: $97.50 ($3 Rake)
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