A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.

[djk123]

we need like 45% to breakeven, and that range is about as worse as we can expect. i doubt KK gets open shoved like that.

[mastr]

steve hit the nail on the head for the reasons why i believe we need to fold both hands. Think the summation is perfect

[djk123]

Isn't everyone on here always criticizing p5ers as overaggro monkeys, but now they are nits? And we don't really have to worry that much about someone picking up a hand to call us that much. It's less than 10%.

[stevepa]

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Isn't everyone on here always criticizing p5ers as overaggro monkeys, but now they are nits? And we don't really have to worry that much about someone picking up a hand to call us that much. It's less than 10%.

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In my experience a few of the top ranked p5ers are crazy but your average p5er plays like 9/7 and does things like squeeze to 140k with 300k behind with AQ to find out where he's at.

Steve

P.S. If timex is reading 2p2 right now, I put the over/under on him fyp-ing my post to read AK at like 18 seconds.

[iMsoLucky0]

In the first hand I folded because as woodguy said

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Raising less than all in UTG with less than 10BB's puts you a dog to the range.

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I think that is the key to the hand. If he just open shoves UTG I'd be more likely to call, but still unsure because I hadn't seen him play any pots.


I shoved the second hand because I felt by shoving he removed most big pairs from his range. People almost never shove AA or KK here and it seems very rare that they shove QQ or JJ too. I'm most scared of 66-99, but he has some ace or two big cards much more often. I'm not worried about the blinds picking up a hand too much, and even if I lose the hand I still cover the table (which is also true of the first hand, I just think the %s and advantages of winning the pot are different). Also, I definitely don't think p5ers are nits.


I do think the second hand is much closer than the first after looking at them though. Stack considerations definitely play a major part in both decisions though. In the second hand we go to 1.2 mil as opposed to 1.1 in the first and those extra 100k chips are very valuable at this point.

[Bond18]

I fold both.

Hand 1 is IMO even more clear as people who 3X under a 10 BB stack are almost always trying to get creative with a big hand despite that move not possibly being creative anymore.

[ImNotSoGood]

Hand 1 is a pretty standard fold as most everyone aggrees, not gonna go into that.

Hand 2 is close when it comes to cEV but I don't think it's even close when you consider it's metagame relevance. I'd shove 55 here even if i thought it was slightly -cEV because it will give you the perfect image to rape the table. People will see that he is not scared to put chips in the pot and play tighter against him, especially with the amount of $ on the line.

[curtains]

I'd fold the first one. I think the 2nd one could go either way, I'd base it on a lot of things, but I wouldn't highly criticize either choice. Being the chip leader, you have a lot of power that you risk giving away for a relatively small edge at best.

So yeah I'd probably fold hand 2 too, although suspect it may be slightly +Cev

[iMsoLucky0]

In hand 2 he ended up having AQo and I held.

I don't think we give up too much power in the 2nd hand by losing, and I think the power we gain by winning is much more valuable. We'll still have 700k and have the table covered if we lose either of these pots, and with the second being so close to neutral cEV, it's just a spot I like to gamble to try and take control. With only 23 players left and the blinds getting up there, I think we've got to be taking any edge possible, and gambling with our extra chips on neutral cEV spots to try and build up enough to WIN the tournament. Down to almost 2 tables, we can't expect to get many more spots to get our chips in good, or decent, and need to take every chance I think. With a 1.2 million stack we've got a LOT of room to play, and the 700k stack really isn't much different than 900k imo.

The difference in the first hand is we don't get enough chips if we win, and I think we are actually well behind his range.

[dogsballs]

fold and fold, for the reason adanthar gave.

Mebbe p5ers are just nits when compared to stevepa