5/10 - Q8o - Standard??

[TheWunderkind]

you call any 2 suited with just 1 limper? You must have godlike postflop skills..

how loose would you call in that scenario here?

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you call any 2 suited with just 1 limper? You must have godlike postflop skills..

how loose would you call in that scenario here?

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I have done it always cuz i read it in SSSH by Sklansky and Miller.

I routinely check my DB for suited junk when I see a flop either from the SB and BB getting 5:1. Last time I checked my earnings on that play was around 300BB's...

In this particular spot I would call a lot. 97o, 54o. Stuff like that. If I am in the big blind and its a raise with 3 coldcallers I would call a lot of offsuit junk. T7o, 74o.

Oh, and its not something I have come with my self. I just copy stoxtrader.

Finally, I hate preflop discussions cuz no one really knows whether those marginal calls are profitable or not. Most here have an opinion and thats fine, but I hate when people claim that an obviously marginal preflop play is -EV because there is no way they can know for sure.

[TheWunderkind]

yeah i know stox does it but im not sure if I can show a profit with these any 2 suited...only because stox does doesnt mean i can > maybe should give myself more credit though

I dont gave advice or anything> i just mentioned that i would fold preflop

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I dont gave advice or anything> i just mentioned that i would fold preflop

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It was not directed at your post. Just the "OMG FOLD PREFLOP" advice you see every once in a while.

[2461Badugi]

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BB = 50/40 Spewtard, who's up 450$ at this table while im down 500$. Completly unpredictable. Not a full on maniac though.

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I would rather find a new table than keep sitting to the immediate right of one of these guys.

[Guy McSucker]

Definitely have a look at the turn before going to town on this hand. So many ugly cards can come off. If you're ahead right now you have to dodge a lot of bullets, and a lot of the time you're not ahead anyway.

Guy.

[Heisenb3rg]

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Definitely have a look at the turn before going to town on this hand. So many ugly cards can come off. If you're ahead right now you have to dodge a lot of bullets, and a lot of the time you're not ahead anyway.

Guy.

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I guess my concern is about protection on the flop because I figured spewtard/calling station is likely have nothing better than overs and could hopefully fold them facing this action, which would increase my equity substantially if I was ahead.

Because of the vulnerability of my hand, fishies will call 2 cold a lot lighter than most, and the fact my equity isn't all that great right now, you'd suggest a turn donk on a safe card?

I wonder from a value perspective if I'd rather fishes fold overcards or put in 2 bets? Hand protection to improve equity vs building pots can confuse me sometimes. Im thinking unless their hand contains a queen I want them to fold because if my hand is good, they are getting correct odds to call vs MY hand (5.5 to 1 for spewtard plus implied odds).. Against mine and buttons range it's surely incorrect. I guess im just not sure how to think about weighing proecting my hand in a situation like this vs my equity vs button.


I really don't like a turn CR because this is precisly the flop that is raised on buttons position for a free card. Which would be a disaster on the turn if I was ahead.

As to PF I always insta call there, but I'm beginning to think I call too loosely in the SB in the 2/5 structure, wouldn't be surprised if it's a leak. And wunderkid the fact the players are bad is a HUGE reason to play looser in the SB. I'm pretty much guarnteed to get called down by any pair and possibly ace high if I flop a pair, and possibly get a lot of action from the spewtard if I flop a monster. My bluffing equity is literally 0.

One thing I didnt consider though, which supports your idea is that the spewtard is in the BB so my odds aren't nearly as good as they appear because he raises so often pre-flop. However, one thing I didnt mention, I have a vague memory he raised a lot less from his BB than other positions.

I'd also much rather have Q4s than Q8o here because a pair of 8's is going to be awkward to get value from often because of the spewtards agression and not knowing where I stand (as shown by this hand), while hitting a flush is going to net me huge pots because of the spewtard/calling station. I insta-call Q4s.

Also oink, calling a hand like 36s with one player in the hand in a 2/5 structure unless you have great bluffing equity has got to be -EV. I think the difference bettween 1/2 structures and 2/5 structures is pretty substantial because a lot of crappy cards are very marginal, so a small change in your odds can mean the difference between -EV and +EV for a lot of hands. Stox's advice normally applies to 1/2 structure right?

I hate poker

[Guruman]

i play this pf as well

i like leading the flop as well, hoping that the bb would raise with whatever and push out the field. when button raises it can be with a draw or a worse 8 a big chunk of the time, so the question is whether to see a safe card or to just try to get it headsup right there. I like the threebet because of how far ahead of bb's range you should be, and because the pot's now big enough to warrant fighting over.

Once bb call caps he's got a big hand. a non-maniac spewtard will will have weaker monsters there (like JJ or whatever) but it's never ever a bluff or a draw.

when you improve on the turn the question is whether you want to trap the field and risk putting in too much action with a vs 44 and 55, or lead out and miss value from the other two players when bb raises. I'd prefer the checkraise so that the dead money can cushion the blow when i'm behind.

given that you bet, i'm super surprised bb called there after call/capping on the prev street. I guess the only hand he can hold there is two diamonds or something like 56.

given that, button's turn raise looks more and more like an overpair or another 8 or two pair or whatever there, so i'd guess that you can threebet for value and force bb to call two more with his big draw.

given that you slowed down your river line makes sense, but I think you're still ahead of bb's range. he could have boated up, but that's less likely that two pairs, a worse 8, or some other randomness.

[Apanage]

I Think it is standard. I could think of folding preflop though since we have the idiot acting behind us.

[Apanage]

I think you can go for a checkraise on turn. BB capped on flop and if he doesn´t bet someone surely does.
I thought you donked turn in order to BB to reraise you.