Bellagio 30/60 fun T7s hand - Page 2

Justin A · #11 09-23-2006, 07:34 PM

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I would have check/called or checkraised the turn depending on recent history, my mood, my image, etc. As played I think you should give up if you don't improve and value bet any improvement but this is Vegas so if you tell me he would fold AJ on the river if you follow through I'll believe you.

-DeathDonkey

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I don't think he'll fold AJ but that hand is also near the very top of his range. I think there's a chance he lays down a hand like A5, but only on the turn. If he calls the turn I'm pretty sure a follow through on the river isn't to get him to fold an ace. I think a river bet is good on certain cards to get him off of a hand that may have paired up on the river. For instance if a J falls and he has something like QJ. Is ten bets a big enough pot to make that follow through just in case he paired up?

Justin A · #12 09-23-2006, 07:37 PM

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While you have an excellent image to make this type of play, it is more suited to work against someone like me than the chessmaster. He is a thinking player, but also seems like someone who can't wait to call and show a loser to show you how unlucky he is. If he calls the turn, hand over, check fold. For the record, I love the play to test him. It is likely he is simply representing.

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So you think it's likely I was 3betting with the best hand?

To all,

Another thing I like about the 3bet is that when it works and I don't have to show my hand, I've also put some element of fear into the opponents head. It's probably going to make him a little scared to play hands against me in the future. Maybe those aren't the right words to describe it, but I feel like the metagame aspects of this play are very good for me.

illguitar · #13 09-23-2006, 09:17 PM

I definitely don't think you had the best hand, most of the time anyway. I made it sound like that. I meant that he is capable of representing the ace, with or without the best hand. Rereading it I made it sound like you usually are ahead, my point, however, was that you are obviously making a play at the pot with the turn 3 bet, if he calls you, he isn't folding the river. In fact, with this particular player I would be surprised if he bet an ace on the end if you checked again. He plays very weakly postflop, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he won't represent an ace, or fold to the three bet. All told, I like it. Your image is perfect for this play.

csi · #14 09-24-2006, 02:58 AM

I'm not sure I like this play at all. You described this player as being straightforward, and somewhat tight postflop and he raised you on the turn after you C/R flop and lead the turn... so I think you need to suck out here.

Bill King · #15 09-24-2006, 05:27 PM

he's not folding the river pretty much ever.. pot is getting kinda big at this point and he's going to call you with any ace, possibly a Q.

you do have a decent chance for improvement though.

i do, however, like just calling the turn raise and c/r'ing a river we improve upon.

mike l. · #16 09-25-2006, 06:59 AM

youre on the right track with all of this obviously. if done in excess it becomes spewy and they adjust and start calling you every time with anything. which can also be great. in vegas you have a nice variety of regulars and random visitors so you can have different images working with different players all at once. makes work fun, and i think more profitable. obviously im stating this all for the forum since we've talked in detail about all this sort of stuff for hours. but your post is basically just a teaching post anyway imo. good hand.

surfdoc · #17 09-25-2006, 11:21 AM

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... but this is Vegas so if you tell me he would fold AJ on the river if you follow through I'll believe you.

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That would be awesome.

DMP · #18 09-25-2006, 02:12 PM

Am I the only one questioning playing that hand to a raise, with only one other person in the pot, and out of position? I'm just beginning to move up to the 9/18 and this play seems a little strange to me. What am i missing?

Justin A · #19 09-25-2006, 04:27 PM

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Am I the only one questioning playing that hand to a raise, with only one other person in the pot, and out of position? I'm just beginning to move up to the 9/18 and this play seems a little strange to me. What am i missing?

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It's a little loose, but also remember it's a 2/3 blind structure, and the button is raising way too many hands, so I'm very rarely in trouble.

PokerBob · #20 09-25-2006, 05:09 PM

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Pretty good game. Button in this hand is a bit overaggro preflop with his open raises, but seems straightforward and maybe a bit tight postflop. He seems to be a thinking player.

Folded to button who raises, I call in the SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Gonores folds in the BB.

Flop is K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I checkraise, button calls.

Turn is the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I bet, button raises, and I 3bet without much hesitation.

You likey?

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i dont think he is ever folding an ace, so i'm not nuts about it.

EDIT: Also, if he can read hands at all, he knows you don't have a big ace, 2-pair or a set.