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Old 05-07-2007, 09:45 PM
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stake monster, fwiw, his hand being "dominated" means about 0. AK is never calling here (dear god I hope it isn't, if it is ... someone's really bad)

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I'm sure SB would call if he had AK but I'm guessing Button would fold since my image is pretty good and this looks so strong.

BTW the value of AJs is pretty irrelevant here against CO and Button, but it's nice insurance in case the nutter SB calls with whatever.
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:47 PM
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This looks fine.
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:51 PM
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believe me, I understand making crazy pushes preflop. I don't think this is one of them. The value of AJ does matter here because if you get looked up here your equity is probably better with 98s than AJ, even if he folds AK. Also you are betting that 3 players have nothing here, and you are overbetting the pot, so you have to be right a hella lot. The most +ev about this hand is the image you'll have afterwards if you get called
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:55 PM
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The value of AJ does matter here because if you get looked up here your equity is probably better with 98s than AJ, even if he folds AK.

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is this really the case?

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.260% 27.97% 00.29% 7183878 74703.00 { AsJs }
Hand 1: 71.740% 71.45% 00.29% 18351276 74703.00 { QQ+ }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 21.604% 21.42% 00.18% 6602229 56473.50 { 9s8s }
Hand 1: 78.396% 78.21% 00.18% 24106296 56473.50 { QQ+ }
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:58 PM
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take away QQ... lean the range towards AA, then yeah.
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Old 05-07-2007, 10:06 PM
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take away QQ... lean the range towards AA, then yeah.

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Us having an Ace means there are 50% less combos of AA for them to have...
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Old 05-07-2007, 10:12 PM
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take away QQ... lean the range towards AA, then yeah.

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Us having an Ace means there are 50% less combos of AA for them to have...

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calling range jay, not what he has
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Old 05-07-2007, 10:15 PM
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take away QQ... lean the range towards AA, then yeah.

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Us having an Ace means there are 50% less combos of AA for them to have...

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Do you fold QQ here to a push with this equity? A lot of players don't.

Anyways saying this is horrible I think is dumb, it's certainly not a bad "idea," whether it's +EV or not depends a lot on math.

calling range jay, not what he has

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Old 05-07-2007, 10:17 PM
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take away QQ... lean the range towards AA, then yeah.

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Us having an Ace means there are 50% less combos of AA for them to have...

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calling range jay, not what he has

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What? Us having an Ace here obviously makes our equity better vs a range that includes AA [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 05-07-2007, 10:24 PM
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The value of AJ does matter here because if you get looked up here your equity is probably better with 98s than AJ, even if he folds AK.

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is this really the case?


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It all depends on whether AK is calling.
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