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#11
10-25-2007, 12:25 PM
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Re: Stars $50 50K...turn set in multiway pot...ugly river...line check
I dunno, it just seems like you're turning it into a bluff. If you can win the pot when overs hit and you don't improve, you can almost certainly win the pot with good old fashioned aggression.
I could be way off base here, but I've never been accused of being weak tight... 
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#13
10-25-2007, 12:30 PM
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Re: Stars $50 50K...turn set in multiway pot...ugly river...line check
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Edit: and making it t40 - t80 pf is really bad imo. [/ QUOTE ]Good lord, if you're going to say I am wrong, fine. It's a discussion, but back it up with some reasoning. How the hell am I supposed to get better if you just say I play bad and leave it at that?
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#14
10-25-2007, 12:31 PM
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Re: Stars $50 50K...turn set in multiway pot...ugly river...line check
The reason for raising to t160 is to cut down the field, and for value. It's a pretty standard raise I don't think it turns your hand into a bluff at all, people limp utg level 1 with a wide range of hands, it doesn't mean they have Aces / Kings.
Edit: and obv I'd raise to the same amout with anything I'm raising in this spot (i.e. 3 limpers).
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#15
10-25-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: Stars $50 50K...turn set in multiway pot...ugly river...line check
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[ QUOTE ] Edit: and making it t40 - t80 pf is really bad imo. [/ QUOTE ]Good lord, if you're going to say I am wrong, fine. It's a discussion, but back it up with some reasoning. How the hell am I supposed to get better if you just say I play bad and leave it at that? [/ QUOTE ] Brandi...no my comment so please don't be mad at me but I will try to field the question anyway...I don't see the purpose of miniraising because it will do what I was hoping to avoid...getting a huge field where my hand loses most of its non set value...either I just call and play it passive or I value raise pre...if I value raise pre my goal is to get people out...not in...anything under 100 is just a pot builder and doesnt accomplish my goal
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#16
10-25-2007, 12:55 PM
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Re: Stars $50 50K...turn set in multiway pot...ugly river...line check
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[ QUOTE ] I dunno, it just seems like you're turning it into a bluff. If you can win the pot when overs hit and you don't improve, you can almost certainly win the pot with good old fashioned aggression. I could be way off base here, but I've never been accused of being weak tight... [/ QUOTE ] definitely agree I was turning it a bluff...I think it was a worthwhile one as villan showed no strength and the chips in the middle were huge in relation to my stack...toss out a range for the villan if you don't mind Brandi... [/ QUOTE ] We're still talking pre, right? Crazy wide, 35 sooted Kx sooted, Ax off, small pairs... After your raise, likely the first caller or 2 had PPs or strong aces, but after that the other donks probably just thought OMG pot odds!? and called with 35 or whatever. I don't mind the raise pre too much if you're playing it as a bluff/semi-bluff. I'd just expect that normally you're not going to get much action from junk hands and end up winning 90 chips. Obv I was wrong in this case. [ QUOTE ] the chips in the middle were huge in relation to my stack [/ QUOTE ] There really wasn't much in the pot before your raise... I suggested a smallish raise to intentionally keep the limpers in and play for implied set value. That's generally a limit poker move, raising and expecting no one to fold, but you have enough equity that it's profitable even though you lose the hand most of the time. I think it's a concept lost on most NL players that it's frequently the best play to NOT narrow the field. I'd prefer to see the flop 9 way and try to hit a set and make the isolation move with 78 or something like that.
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#17
10-25-2007, 12:56 PM
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Re: Stars $50 50K...turn set in multiway pot...ugly river...line check
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Brandi...no my comment so please don't be mad at me but I will try to field the question anyway...I don't see the purpose of miniraising because it will do what I was hoping to avoid...getting a huge field where my hand loses most of its non set value...either I just call and play it passive or I value raise pre...if I value raise pre my goal is to get people out...not in...anything under 100 is just a pot builder and doesnt accomplish my goal [/ QUOTE ]Does my above post explain this clearly? Edit: not mad at you, just annoyed at the lack of content in the post contradicting me...
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#19
10-25-2007, 01:07 PM
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Re: Stars $50 50K...turn set in multiway pot...ugly river...line check
Just to clarify, whatever my results or yours are, I want any of you to say so if you disagree with me. I make mistakes all the time, but we're here to help each other learn and a simple "you are wrong" doesn't help.
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