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Re: KJs vs LP mcTAG opener
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[ QUOTE ] The only way he can continue is if he has one of those hands that you are representing.[Axss 3x] [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Had you bet the turn and he called, you could have checked behind on the river J, which I think will be good here quite a bit. [/ QUOTE ] does not compute. If he calls with Axss or a 3 - my rivered J is no good. [/ QUOTE ] the first part is a realistic assessment, but he easily calls with a different draw. lol. Should have mentioned that, I guess im just jaded by the fact that his river bet is a bluff or QQ. |
#12
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Re: KJs vs LP mcTAG opener
3bet pf
float the flop. |
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Re: KJs vs LP mcTAG opener
3b pre.
If you just call, fold flop. If you don't wanna fold, just float with a call. That's such a bluffable board to raise with air. What legit hands are you raising there? |
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Re: KJs vs LP mcTAG opener
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3bet pf float the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Is KJs ahead of opener's raising range? Is it ahead of his 3bet CALLING range? If the answer is no to both of these then you're turning your hand into a bluff, which I suppose isn't that bad. But if it's ahead of his raising range but not his 3bet CALLING range then it makes more sense to call and see a flop IP. |
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Re: KJs vs LP mcTAG opener
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[ QUOTE ] 3bet pf float the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Is KJs ahead of opener's raising range? Is it ahead of his 3bet CALLING range? If the answer is no to both of these then you're turning your hand into a bluff, which I suppose isn't that bad. But if it's ahead of his raising range but not his 3bet CALLING range then it makes more sense to call and see a flop IP. [/ QUOTE ] yes debatable, but we have position + aggression. your argument isn't really applicable here. |
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Re: KJs vs LP mcTAG opener
Unless you have QQ+ you are never gonna be ahead of a 3 bettors calling range.
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Re: KJs vs LP mcTAG opener
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Unless you have QQ+ you are never gonna be ahead of a 3 bettors calling range. [/ QUOTE ] You'd be surprised. Wait, are you saying a 3better who calls a 4bet? Or someone raises, gets 3bet and calls the 3bet? Cuz the latter is what I'm talking about. |
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Re: KJs vs LP mcTAG opener
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yes debatable, but we have position + aggression. your argument isn't really applicable here. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not really sure how it isn't applicable here... Care to elaborate? (I'm just learning all this stuff myself so this is good for me). |
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Re: KJs vs LP mcTAG opener
I am saying the latter. And it really doesn't matter because I don't think your argument has much merit. Position and initiative trump "calling range" and the much overused "turning your hand into a bluff"
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Re: KJs vs LP mcTAG opener
Sorry to side track here but: Thats a pretty interesting point aj. If QQ+ are pretty much the only hands that are ahead of a 3 bet range then why do we do it at all with weaker hands other than to get pf folds? Does initiative make up that much of a difference? May sound noobish but Im really curious.
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