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#11
10-09-2007, 12:25 PM
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Re: Mini 3bet
as described i'd fold due to negative implied odds. in tougher games you'd often float that raise as long as the stacks were deep enough.
we don't advocate min 3-betting in PNL. rather, we point out that when you plan hands around commitment - which you do when you've got a hand that rates to make the best hand and are getting most of your value from hitting then getting a lot of money in - it can sometimes be useful to min 3-bet. it gets more money in and helps pot-stick your opponent later without causing him to fold preflop. we weren't advocating that as a routine play, just showing how minraising can be not only legitimate but in some cases the best play. which is minraising gives many players fits. 
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#12
10-09-2007, 01:14 PM
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Re: Mini 3bet
And how do you suggest to balance this? Minraise with Aces? Might as well limped [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
ps Minraise itself is not what gives players fits. Its the uncertainty, fear to be outplayed. Once you know how a certain player sees a minraise, he can never use it again.
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#13
10-09-2007, 01:14 PM
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Re: Mini 3bet
[ QUOTE ]
as described i'd fold due to negative implied odds. in tougher games you'd often float that raise as long as the stacks were deep enough. we don't advocate min 3-betting in PNL. rather, we point out that when you plan hands around commitment - which you do when you've got a hand that rates to make the best hand and are getting most of your value from hitting then getting a lot of money in - it can sometimes be useful to min 3-bet. it gets more money in and helps pot-stick your opponent later without causing him to fold preflop. we weren't advocating that as a routine play, just showing how minraising can be not only legitimate but in some cases the best play. which is minraising gives many players fits. [/ QUOTE ] Matt, I thought a big reason for the min3bet is to find out if you're dominated by a better hand (AA-KK/AK) since they'll usually put in another raise. Isn't that what the book describes? Thanks for the response BTW.
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#14
10-09-2007, 06:16 PM
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Re: Mini 3bet
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Matt, I thought a big reason for the min3bet is to find out if you're dominated by a better hand (AA-KK/AK) since they'll usually put in another raise. Isn't that what the book describes? Thanks for the response BTW. [/ QUOTE ] that's one reason but not the only one. you get momentum for the cheapest price. they'll call with many hands, which is good if you have a better hand or a good chance of stealing the pot (or both). sometimes it sets up better SPRs for stealing or for making the best hand. it's a standout play that some are biased against. messes with their heads. may let you exploit later, such as show down two min3bets against same guy in 50 hands and have goods both times, next time min3bet/jam flop with a steal hand. others. point is the raise size itself is not flawed. it's just how you use it. when it fits, do it. as for disguising ranges just min3bet with a variety of hands if needed or don't min3bet. up to you. btw disguising ranges isn't all that important in microstakes. at least not until the bots proliferate there.
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#15
10-09-2007, 08:37 PM
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Re: Mini 3bet
A very simple yet may look obnoxious question:
Can you beat a 400NL or better offpeak games on Full Tilt filled with regulars past the gambling act? Do you make a living playing online poker at 10/20 or playing drunk casino tourist at 5k nl or doing something else? Honestly. I don't see this happening with the lines you advocate.
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#16
10-09-2007, 08:40 PM
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Re: Mini 3bet
Why on earth not?
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#18
10-10-2007, 12:56 PM
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Re: Mini 3bet
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A very simple yet may look obnoxious question: Can you beat a 400NL or better offpeak games on Full Tilt filled with regulars past the gambling act? [/ QUOTE ] easily through 10/20. haven't played 25/50 in a long time so can't say there. [ QUOTE ] Do you make a living playing online poker at 10/20 or playing drunk casino tourist at 5k nl or doing something else? [/ QUOTE ] my bio is on page vii of PNL. [ QUOTE ] Honestly. I don't see this happening with the lines you advocate. [/ QUOTE ] i did not advocate a line. i said there are situations where minraises work, including min3bets.
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