The River Donkbet

[Ansky]

I would raise.

I consider a river bet like that to be a check basically.

[seke2]

Ansky, I gotta ask, why do you value bet that river? Cause god knows you're better than me at this, and this seems like a river I would check behind all day, every day.

[bonds25]

So if you consider it a check basically what would you do if he "check" raises you?

[NoahSD]

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I would raise.

I consider a river bet like that to be a check basically.

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My problem is that I don't think his range includes many hands that call that we beat.

[locutus2002]

It depends on the player and the game.

I make this bet on FTP alot, mainly by mis-typing the bet.


In your case, without knowing the game, or the player, I would probably bet 3000-7000 depending on what you think he will call. He's going to call 3000, because he did on the turn.

I think you have to assume you are ahead, unless you have some compelling reason to believe that you are not.

[bonds25]

I think betting 3000-7000 on the river is insanity.

[bestcellar]

seke, if he had a big hand like a flopped two pair or set, he would've gotten more money in on the turn. The only hand I could see him having that could've caught up is K7, which is pretty unreasonable. I value raise here every time. If a J or T had hit the turn or the river, yeah, I call/check the river.

[seke2]

I'm not convinced that a player who would actually bet 200 into a pot of 12000 would have gotten more money into the pot on the turn, best.

[ZeTurd]

Whoa there..

Without any read on the player I would be very catious to reraise him here. Sure, most of the time it's probably just going to be a donk with Kx who thinks he's valuebetting, but then again he may be trying to trick you into raising by betting weak. I sure as hell do it all the time in similar settings and it works a charm. (eg. Flop the nuts, lead out smallish, act bewildered for a little while if I get called, and try a smaller bet on the turn; gets reraised 70/30).

Basically, with no read on the player, alarm-bells start ringing when I see moves like that.

[runout_mick]

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seke, if he had a big hand like a flopped two pair or set, he would've gotten more money in on the turn. The only hand I could see him having that could've caught up is K7, which is pretty unreasonable. I value raise here every time. If a J or T had hit the turn or the river, yeah, I call/check the river.

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If I flopped KQ or a set, I don't feel the need to raise the turn on this safe board if I'm villain. Although if I do have a hand, I sure as hell value bet the river more than this. I'm sure villain either misclicked the river, or got FPS...