NLCASH $200, deepstacked with TP2K

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Posters who are saying this is a pp : what pp's would villain 4-bet pf then turn into a bluff on the river

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Kings, Queens and Jacks. Villain won't 4-bet these PF 225bb deep?

[kolotoure]

I'm not saying he won't because he probably would. I'm saying a villain who hasn't shown any bluffs is going to check these types of hands behind almost always

[emsc123]

I think this is definately a call. He clearly has ak/tt here sometimes, but i think ur ahead of his range enough here to make it a call. The other question tho is can this opponent turn a big pair into a bluff here? Because many 1/2 opponents won't do that and are fine with taking a showdown. I still probably call tho.

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Very true kolo... he would probably check Kings, but if he shoves with say JJ or QQ, he could definitely expect OP to fold a lot of better hands like QQ, KK, and some Aces (basically Hero's entire range except maybe AK).

[arch_angel]

um, at lower stakes this could be a semi-bluff with a missed NFD weak ace. (i.e. AJd maybe ATd if he plays the preflop betting that way with those hands) i'm guessing this isn't a possibility b/c the opponent is as you say not prone to bluffs and if he's tight prob isn't 4 betting much in the way of suited aces besides AK and AQ, maybe AJ depending on the player. can one of the more senior players explain if this reasoning is right and if not why a missed NFD isn't a possibility in the opponent's hand range. thank you.

[MasterLJ]

What if we had AK?

I would just about instacall.

Some certain people have suggested AK = AQ. I couldn't disagree more.

Thoughts?

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What if we had AK?

I would just about instacall.

Thoughts?

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I totally agree. The only 2 possible hands beating us are AA and AK IMO. They combine for 9 two-card combinations... and AK holds 8 of those 9. Less combos still, mind you, if we actually held AK.

[IronFly]

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um, at lower stakes this could be a semi-bluff with a missed NFD weak ace...

if not why a missed NFD isn't a possibility in the opponent's hand range. thank you.

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you said so yourself:


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if he's tight prob isn't 4 betting much in the way of suited aces besides AK and AQ

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[m_reed05]

How has the match been going preflop? How much have you 3-bet him? I've played quite a bit of 1/2 hu, and very few opponents are willing to make big river bluffs when playing this deep. When it gets deep, most opponents become very cautious. Now it's your job to decide if he's one of those few people willing to make the big bluff.

From his 4 bet preflop, we have to think he has a hand, and as said earlier at this level, most people are not willing to turn hands with some showdown value into bluffs.

I think this almost has to be AK. I guess I probably fold here, but it is indeed a very tough hand, just shows why you don't want to allow yourself to get into these situations out of position this deep. Position is premium, and when it gets deep, exponentially so. As nitty as it sounds, this deep, I think you probably need to fold AQ to his 4-bet preflop, unless there is some preflop history of 3 and 4 betting.

[Sheetah]

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... and it took 1 second (slightly more than insta) ...

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This smells like a monster