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Old 08-08-2007, 11:15 PM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 - KK, ace on board.

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Flop: 10.5:1 is a big pot, but villain showed aggression preflop, and is now betting into a pf 3-bettor and another player. If he's bluffing he's picked a really bad spot. You have two somewhat dirty K outs and a BDFD -- worth a total of about 3 outs total if you are behind, not enough to call.

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Why are the K outs "somewhat dirty"?
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:18 PM
CrMenace CrMenace is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 - KK, ace on board.

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Why are the K outs "somewhat dirty"?

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Becaused I messed up and thought the flop hand the Q and the turn the 9; thus GSSD potential.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:54 PM
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Default Re: 1/2 - KK, ace on board.

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Flop: 10.5:1 is a big pot, but villain showed aggression preflop, and is now betting into a pf 3-bettor and another player. If he's bluffing he's picked a really bad spot. You have two somewhat dirty K outs and a BDFD -- worth a total of about 3 outs total if you are behind, not enough to call.

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Why are the K outs "somewhat dirty"?

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cuz villain has AA and forgot to cap LDO

btw: OP, i wouldnt raise the flop.
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Old 08-13-2007, 12:05 PM
MrWookie MrWookie is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 - KK, ace on board.

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SUPER GRUNCH

PF: Standard -- KK is 2nd best hand...

Flop: 10.5:1 is a big pot, but villain showed aggression preflop, and is now betting into a pf 3-bettor and another player. If he's bluffing he's picked a really bad spot. You have two somewhat dirty K outs and a BDFD -- worth a total of about 3 outs total if you are behind, not enough to call. I think you are WB much more often than WA, so taking a WA/WB line here is incorrect IMO. Fold.

FWIW, I think calling is the next best action after folding, since my backup plan is to go into WA/WB mode. I think 3-betting is spew.

As played, however, once you've raised and are 3b, you have enough odds to call.

Turn: Hit the flush draw, clearly calling is correct.

River: Odds are 10.75:1 but villain has shown nothing but aggression here. I don't think you are good even 10% of the time. Fold.

If you had been playing WA/WB, I'd probably call this river.

Edit: Per Aaron, K's are not "somewhat dirty" -- misread the HH

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This is all correct.
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