16: Please grunch QQ vs a good regular - Page 2

Kevin8423 · #11 04-25-2007, 07:16 PM

Yeah I also agree it depends on who the "good regular" is since a lot of the 16s regulars aren't that great and could have a wider range than I am thinking.

loxxii · #12 04-25-2007, 07:18 PM

Nice malnek my thoughts exactly, but when you are down to your last buyin after a weird downswing, you do not want to fold QQ on this flop.

I knew better and was so used to punishment from the odds gods that I was almost looking forward to this pity party. It's going to take forever for me to deposit since I cant do so from my VISA paytru card (wish I hadnt cashed out last week now), so I will take that time to clear my head, review some HHs, and sngicons it up.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to t80, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t80, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls t80, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds

Flop: (t270) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets t240, MP1 folds, Hero raises to t600, UTG raises to t1420 (All-in), Hero calls t820 (All-in)

Turn: (t3350) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t3350) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Results in gray below:
UTG has Ad, Ah (a pair of Aces)
Hero has Qd, Qs (a pair of Queens)

Dont worry, I will stop ackin like a bitch on the first. Until then, its not Party, so I'll cry if I want to. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Kevin8423 · #13 04-25-2007, 07:21 PM

I still don't know that its a bad shove against your average 16s "good regular".

loxxii · #14 04-25-2007, 07:22 PM

The larger raise and c-bet theory did factor in for me as well.

I believe he is 2+2 but I could be wrong. Either way, he is better than myself and a couple of other 6.50s-27ers that are 2+2.

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #15 04-25-2007, 07:30 PM

grunch: raise to 500, try and get heads up w/ original raiser.

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #16 04-25-2007, 07:31 PM

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Ok here is the flop...

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to t80, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t80, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls t80, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds

Flop: (t270) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets t240, MP1 folds, Hero ?

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grunch: shove

Cpaz · #17 04-25-2007, 07:32 PM

Grunch. I raise to about 250 and hope to get it all-in preflop. If not play as future cards warrant.

Cpaz · #18 04-25-2007, 07:35 PM

After reading the rest I would have been all in pre obviously and out but I don't think that's terrible.

RRizGod · #19 04-25-2007, 07:57 PM

If he is a really good multi tabler I would call flop as played.

Your other option is to raise to 240 preflop and reevaluate from there. If he calls, you continuation bet the flop for like 350.

Its hard to get away from that hand on that flop. Sometimes you just need to go broke.

loxxii · #20 04-25-2007, 11:47 PM

Is it best to reraise preflop and fold to a 3bet?