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#1
11-25-2007, 02:04 AM
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Re: KQo losing ground on the turn
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why did you bet the ace on the turn? Do you think none of your opponents has an ace? [/ QUOTE ] I bet because I think there's a reasonable chance that none of them has an ace, I think I'll find out right here if one of them does, and I'm going to make the draws pay for their card while I think I'm ahead. 
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#2
11-25-2007, 03:13 AM
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Re: KQo losing ground on the turn
Grunch:
I think the preflop call is fine. The raise is good because you are getting the money in the pot while you are ahead. The bet on the turn? I think okay because you can't always check behind. Did you think they would fold? I find it usually really hard to get 3 of these guys to fold.. so that is why maybe I check here. I think a bet is best here with fewer callers I think you are up against Ax maybe he has an ace and a flush draw. I think you have 5 outs to improve to 2 pair or 3 of a kind. So around 8 to 1 and the pot now is giving you 11 to 1 .. because you bet and had a couple callers I think it is correct to call.
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#4
11-25-2007, 04:44 AM
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Re: KQo losing ground on the turn
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Grunch: I think the preflop call is fine [/ QUOTE ] rhayder, good grunch but Im going to ask, mainly for your benefit, why do you think preflop is fine?
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#5
11-25-2007, 05:01 AM
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Re: KQo losing ground on the turn
UTG I think it is limping KQs is okay because it hopefully lets more limpers in before someone raises behind you. And it if nobody raises it is easier to get away from KQs when you get a bad flop. So I guess not raising KQs makes it an easier hand to play.
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#6
11-25-2007, 05:49 AM
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Re: KQo losing ground on the turn
limping here isnt that bad but raising is better
[ QUOTE ] UTG I think it is limping KQs is okay because it hopefully lets more limpers in before someone raises behind you. [/ QUOTE ] well your UTG+1 after a SLAG limps. You dont know if someone is raising behind you and some people (goodplayers, lags and maniacs) have a reasonably wide betting range then youll find yourself OOP in a multiway pot. I'd rather play it 2-3 handed with 'the lead' than 5-6way, especially when the flop is one like in OP. [ QUOTE ] And it if nobody raises it is easier to get away from KQs when you get a bad flop. [/ QUOTE ] same could be said for AKs too [ QUOTE ] So I guess not raising KQs makes it an easier hand to play. [/ QUOTE ] well we differ then. lets say we raise and get 3 bet. typical 3 bettors have a narrow range so ill be able to let go of my hand with more confidence postflop. compare this to when we limp then get raised....is he raising me the flop or turn with a worse kicker or a draw? hmmm...tough decisions coming. yep, by limping often basically ahve to hit the flop to win..when you raise you might actually take it down with a cbet UI when your opponents also miss. raising is also good for shania
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#7
11-25-2007, 05:05 AM
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Re: KQo losing ground on the turn
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I think you can't fold now because it's 11.25:1 to you now and the others probably call behind too -> you're getting 11.25:1-13.25:1 on the call. It is not a clear cut call though as your outs aren't necessarily clean. You might be against aces up, Q gives JT a straight, and there's two FD's there. Thin but I still peel.
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#8
11-25-2007, 01:00 PM
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Re: KQo losing ground on the turn
Grunch:
Raise preflop. KQs has a decent edge and plays well both multiway and less. Don't fold the turn. The pot's large, and while you probably don't have the best hand any more, you have sufficient outs and overlay (even discounting the hearts a bit) to call. Dump the river if you don't improve.
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