NL50 QQ OOP gets 3bet

[shyturtle27]

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My line would be to check call flop and check fold turn. I really feel like most all opponents at this level will just give up without a really strong hand here.

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[prodonkey]

I call.. you have queens for heavens sake.

[SirFelixCat]

So I was thinking about this on my drive home from work...

Assuming a "normal" (read: non2p2 player, but not a monkey) villain here, his 3bet range is probably AQ+, JJ+.

So, that said, according to pokerstove:

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73,629,072 games 0.032 secs 2,300,908,500 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.336% 49.93% 01.40% 36764358 1033849.00 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 48.664% 47.26% 01.40% 34797016 1033849.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }

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Our proper play is to either b/3bet (although he essentially pushed w/ his raise) or crai. Folding can not be correct, assuming the above range.

But, that said, if you feel his range is AK, JJ+, you shouldn't have called preflop. Just sayin'....

[Genz]

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I normally c/c flop and c/f turn unimproved, but this might be to weak.

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You can't c/c with the intention to improve on the turn because you can only draw at two outs here.
I think a CRAI is ok although you are probably way behind when you are called and therefore turning your hand into a bluff. I think I check and see what he does. If he bets smallish, I might decide to float or just call down and keep the pot small.

[corsakh]

If you call a proper size 3bet with 99-QQ, the only way to play it OOP 100BB deep is to c/r everytime you flop an over. If cbet is small and you like tough turns, calling may be an option.

[ciro bonano]

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I normally c/c flop and c/f turn unimproved, but this might be to weak.

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You can't c/c with the intention to improve on the turn because you can only draw at two outs here.

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That is true, but if Villain gives up on the turn UI and doesn't second barrel us, it's the best way to play it. Obviously if you KNOW that Villain will be the turn with ATC this line doesn't make sense, but you don't know that yet at the flop - his turn action gives you more information.

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If he bets smallish, I might decide to float or just call down and keep the pot small.

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How can you keep the pot small? There's already $12 in the pot so with any decent bet-sizing by Villain you end up all-in by the river. If he only bets like $6 on the flop in the pot of $12, that will result in a $24 pot with $38 behind and two streets left.

[DenDuurs]

I don't like the call preflop, I would have re-raised for sure (to $18 or so). Playing QQ for set value? Seriously? If Villain pushes over our preflop reraise, then you can put him on AA/KK, perhaps AK, and find a fold (without a read, that is). As played, you don't know if you are donk-betting into JJ, KK+ or AhKh, or a set, or whatever.

[infinite_loop]

This is similar to a hand posted in another thread and I guess I don't mind calling pre and not 4-betting vs a true unknown. But there are a lot of opponents that I'm stacking off pre to.

This is not a completely dry flop, but it's not crazy by any means. Yeah, I don't like the donk bet because it's like a delayed 4-bet in a sense. One could try the check/call method, but do you dump the turn if he persists? Maybe he slows down with a bigger overpair?

[infinite_loop]

Yeah, the problem is that these pots start out growing very rapidly and you have to make your decision early. So I think these spots are so difficult vs "unknowns" because frankly you need reads to play these spots well.

[Panic__NL]

Against an unknow asuuming he has a normal 3bet range, 4betting QQ seems like turning your hand in to a bluff.

Offocurse playing with a read makes this hand easier, but it should be possible to play it optimal against unknown as well.