TP on the river, value?

[Pasterbator]

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i'd rather bet the turn and check the river tbh but given you got here it just depends on the opponent. this is a bet a lot of the time.

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Also, i agree with this 100%.

[fslexcduck]

also if you're gonna bet the river given how you got here, i like a shove

[Unknown Soldier]

could be way off, but i don't really like a turn bet with these stacks and if I'm betting the turn and he calls, I'd push the river. However i think that line is a little thin here. If we were deeper I'd like a bet turn/check river more.


Are you turn bettors folding to a shove most of the time? How much are you betting?

[danjohncochane]

I don't like a turn bet. I think it folds out hands we beat and only gets called by hands that beat us. Also it would be hard to stand up to a raise on the turn.

Unknown - if you bet the turn how come you would push the river? For value?

[Allinlife]

prob bet-fold turn, given how it played out you must bet river.

you bet the turn so you can balance your second barrels..river bet with this hand is 'transparent' to decent players

[Big_Jim]

The problem with a turn bet is that we're always stacking off if we make that bet, unless you want to make a sick laydown getting fat odds (assuming you don't just shove), and there are a ton of hands that beat us in his range.

Furthermore he should be c/ring AI with any hand that he wants to show down, including those hands that we beat.

Even if you were to bet as low as $300, there will be $700 stacks with $1200 in the middle, if he calls.

The problem with a check, though, is that we're not really going to be inducing bluffs here, aside from a rare OOP float, so we don't gain much value from that, although we should get some looser river calls because of it.

[Big_Jim]

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river bet with this hand is 'transparent' to decent players

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Meh. Don't really agree. Sure it looks like pot control, but it also looks like an airball.

[orange]

How much are you guys betting the river for? Are you going to do more of a 1/2 pot value bettish or something like 2/3rds (looks more bluffy/etc)?

[Big_Jim]

I think I'd tend to bet like $500 here.

Enough to make a bluff unappealing because of the odds he's laying me, and enough to look bluffy.

I don't really think I like a shove because I think we can get away if raised here, if we bet enough to make a bluff look hopeless, and we save a few bucks those times we're beat. Not to mention that in most people's gameplans, overbet river shoves look really strong. Although, I guess that could get him to fold a better hand once in a while.

[jfish]

$510, i also check behind turn.

edit: i didnt see jim's post so i didnt do $10 higher on purpose!