$114: 99 utg facing shove from 2p2er

[citanul]

what's the antes like here? haven't played on stars in even longer than i haven't played on FT. 8 handed shoving utg with 99?! am i that far removed from how this stuff all works?

[vers]

cit, no antes for another 2 levels on stars.

[Pudge714]

+1 for thinking shoving pre is really bad. Also if we can fold preflop correctly here after making it 400 that just shows why 400 is better than shoving.

[suzzer99]

Shoving pre is unexploitable. I think it's better vs. calling stations with a hand like this.

[Slim Pickens]

$EV_win = 23.33%
$EV_lose = 6.41%
$EV_fold = 12.24%

So the real answer is you need 34.47% pot equity. For those of you who still even think in chip EV at all (fhippo), you're getting 2.25:1 pot odds, or 30.77%.

[Little John]

i think it would be a mistake for anyone to get in the habit of pushing 13.4 bb's utg with AQ 88 99 TT type of hands and then standard raising AK/JJ. there are so many regulars that in about 2 weeks people will really know your range.

[suzzer99]

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i think it would be a mistake for anyone to get in the habit of pushing 13.4 bb's utg with AQ 88 99 TT type of hands and then standard raising AK/JJ. there are so many regulars that in about 2 weeks people will really know your range.

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I think you way overestimate how often those spots come up, and how often anyone ever notices anything. Also you can mix in other hands every now and then.

[darinvg]

In game I would call just because I felt pot stuck but since we know villain's range pretty well I guess folding is better. TT+ AK is all he should have.