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#1
07-15-2007, 08:54 AM
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Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.
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i think if you want to play this hand you have to shove over his 4-bet preflop. otherwise just fold [/ QUOTE ] It's a 6 max blind steal spot so his 4 bet can be a re-steal. Starting stacks are 170 BB's for hero and 200 BB's for villain. Hero is even at best and most likely 65-35 if villain calls AI pf. Why stack off in that spot? I think folding is the play. 
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#2
07-15-2007, 02:12 PM
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Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.
Do you guys have any history? Unless he is a huge nit or you have a reputation of a huge nit I would definitely shove preflop and I don't think its close. If you call the pot is 35% of your initial effective stack sizes and beeing oop is pretty sick.
Some numbers: if villains 4 betting range is TT+,AQ+ in this spot and his range for calling an all in is QQ+,AK then shoving has a positive expectation of $159 here.
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#4
07-16-2007, 02:48 AM
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Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.
Seems like a weird play by villain, I'm not as convinced as everyone else that you're beat by the river... only hand I see him playing this way is QQ. Seems like a perfect flop to bet KK/AA/random bluff after 4 betting preflop and seems pretty bad to 4bet AQ/AJ preflop with these stacks. Doubt JJ would bet the ace turn after checking the flop for pot control. Then again you obviously only beat a bluff on the river and its a pretty bad spot for villain to bluff again after you call the turn. If I think villain is capable of making a sorta bad/weird bluff in this spot though I think I'd call.
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#5
07-16-2007, 03:25 AM
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Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.
if you fold AK pf, what are you not folding?
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#7
07-16-2007, 11:23 AM
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Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.
Can someone explain to me why shoving with AK preflop, given the laggy nature of this game, is a mistake???
Why are we calling here? Is it because its more +EV? Is shoving with AK here marginally EV (given that we sometimes folds otu better hands (or worse hands)) and calling wit hAK here is more +EV??? -Joo
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#8
07-16-2007, 03:27 PM
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Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.
not sure how often you three bet from the blinds but if its often
i think you should rr the 600 and take a line as if you had kk or aa if your calling the 600 it would be because your assuming that if you hit your ace or king your good and if thats the case than you might as well put him in now and hope he eiter folds his qq or jj or at least youll see the other two cards with all your money in the middle
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