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11-28-2007, 11:45 AM
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Re: This is why I\'m for the death penalty.
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innocent people get killed by the death penality though, not just bad people. [/ QUOTE ] Technically not a single executed person has been proven with DNA evidence to have been innocent of the convicted crime. 
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11-28-2007, 11:52 AM
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Re: This is why I\'m for the death penalty.
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[ QUOTE ] innocent people get killed by the death penality though, not just bad people. [/ QUOTE ] Technically not a single executed person has been proven with DNA evidence to have been innocent of the convicted crime. [/ QUOTE ] This means absolutely nothing (for a wealth of reasons.)
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11-28-2007, 12:06 PM
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Re: This is why I\'m for the death penalty.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] innocent people get killed by the death penality though, not just bad people. [/ QUOTE ] Technically not a single executed person has been proven with DNA evidence to have been innocent of the convicted crime. [/ QUOTE ] This means absolutely nothing (for a wealth of reasons.) [/ QUOTE ] True, but I was just pointing out that you cannot say people have been innocently executed when nobody has been proven to be innocently executed. This doesn't mean confirm anything beyond that small point, however. It takes some heavy willful ignorance to believe that ANY mandate won't have failings from time to time.
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11-28-2007, 01:43 PM
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innocent people get killed by the death penality though, not just bad people. [/ QUOTE ] name one. there isnt a single documented case of an innocent person being executed. Even if there has been, how do you trade off that extremely rare happenstance versus the innocent lives that the guilty would have taken if not executed, and those innocen ts that would have died if not for the deterrent effect (most recently estimated as 72 innocent lives saved per execution).
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11-28-2007, 01:49 PM
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and those innocen ts that would have died if not for the deterrent effect (most recently estimated as 72 innocent lives saved per execution). [/ QUOTE ] Source/link?
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11-28-2007, 01:56 PM
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Re: This is why I\'m for the death penalty.
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[ QUOTE ] and those innocen ts that would have died if not for the deterrent effect (most recently estimated as 72 innocent lives saved per execution). [/ QUOTE ] Source/link? [/ QUOTE ] sorry, it was 74 per year theres also a WSJ article but it is nearly identical and requires a subscription "Roy Adler and Michael Summers, both professors at Pepperdine University, have analyzed the relationship between the number of U.S. executions by year and the number of murders in the year thereafter for 1979-2004. They relied on raw data supplied by the Death Penalty Information Center and the FBI" "They have documented a relationship between capital punishment and the future rate of homicide. When executions leveled off, the professors found, murders increased. And when executions increased, the number of people murdered dropped off. In a year-by-year analysis, Adler and Summers found that each execution was associated with 74 fewer murders the following year. "
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11-28-2007, 08:15 PM
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Re: This is why I\'m for the death penalty.
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innocent people get killed by the death penality though, not just bad people. [/ QUOTE ] Does this suggest that any measure that saves just one life is to be valued over the alternative? If you consider that in its fullness you'll see it for the foolishness it represents. Everything is an equation and that includes all matters of life and death. Among the convicted there exists some fraction of innocents. Assume we go with life in prison. There will be additional murders and other attrocities commited by this group over their spared lives. Is that greater than the number of wrongly convicted? I'm guessing yes but it's not the end of the calculus. Execution has other pluses as well. Too bad cost savings is not one of them.
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11-28-2007, 05:06 AM
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Re: This is why I\'m for the death penalty.
This is why upstanding citizens should be armed. I find it ridiculous that so many people are forced by law to place themselves at the mercy of these gangsta pieces of [censored].
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11-28-2007, 05:15 AM
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This is why upstanding citizens should be armed. I find it ridiculous that so many people are forced by law to place themselves at the mercy of these gangsta pieces of [censored]. [/ QUOTE ] QFT.
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#10
11-28-2007, 05:21 AM
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Re: This is why I\'m for the death penalty.
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This is why upstanding citizens should be armed. I find it ridiculous that so many people are forced by law to place themselves at the mercy of these gangsta pieces of [censored]. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, let's go back there. The world would be a better place if everyone carried guns. I'm against the death penalty for three reasons. 1) He could be innocent. The chance of him being innocent is always present. 2) It could be considered an "easy" way out, for him. I think a lot of people would pick death over being gangbanged for life in a prison. 3) The moral questions: Who are we to take a life? Is it right to kill someone just because they're bad? Etc. The only argument I can see for the death penalty is the money we potentially save on not holding him alive. However, as someone already stated, finally killing him - through the legal process - costs a lot of money too.
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