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This is definitely a bet/fold.

[vmacosta]

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This is definitely a bet/fold.

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this is a terrible spot to bet/fold vs. somebody with FPS. Just c/c and pray it gets checked around on the river.

[knockonwood]

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This is definitely a bet/fold.

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this is a terrible spot to bet/fold vs. somebody with FPS. Just c/c and pray it gets checked around on the river.

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I always wake up too late for these. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I really dont like a flop cap. If we cap we are offering BB 18:2 since UTG will call always. What hand can we expect him to fold getting those odds?

I would just call the flop and then look to c/r a bet on turn from UTG. That way we will be offering BB about 5-6:1 assuming he doesnt cap the flop.

EDIT: c/r a safe turn


I think it was ILP who said he almost never caps 1 pair on the flop.


Turn: Check and try to see a cheap SD. This allow you to get away cheap when it goes bet - raise behind you. I agree with vmaCosta that b/f'ing here is silly given that the TAGtard might raise you with a worse hand´in this huge pot.

[timoK]

your pure equity is more than average but after a raise and a 3-bet this doesnt matter any more.

I think capping the flop OOP is way wrong on this board. Any Card >9 or <6 and any heart will put us in a bad situation.

If you dont like big swings you are better of folding (however the raise by BB might be some kind of isolation thing and the 3-bet by the unknown my just be random spew).

in the particular hand I bet flop and call the 3-bet and check-call down if no Ah or Kh hits (or its two bets to me)

And raising preflop is not the right play to imo.
Assuming your raise the BB should call with like all of his hands. So the best case is 99 OOP vs 4 random hands (you have 42% equity) but against a narrowed range you equity is only 30-35% (which is also above the average equity) but any high card in the flop will be a pain in the ass

[vmacosta]

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And raising preflop is not the right play to imo.
Assuming your raise the BB should call with like all of his hands. So the best case is 99 OOP vs 4 random hands (you have 42% equity) but against a narrowed range you equity is only 30-35% (which is also above the average equity) but any high card in the flop will be a pain in the ass

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timok,
what are you talking about, dude? I thought we put raising out of the SB to bed a long time ago when we realized:

equity edge + possibility for dead money = raise

[timoK]

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equity edge + possibility for dead money = raise

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in general you are sooooooo right!

but assuming people dont limp or call a limp with hands like 4-gap-offsuited connectors they all get the right odds to call the raise (BB should see this too so he can calculate his call with about 7:1)

To say it again I totally agree with your statement but in this particular hand postflop playability is so bad that I wont put in a preflop raise (which is just true in theorie. in practice I am the 36/22 spewtard and swings killing me so I try to tighten up and beat variance lately)

[NinaWilliams]

So, I bet and both call.

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[timoK]

so the board is now 642JK with 3 heart.

- if you bet any hand with a J, K or better will call or raise
- if you bet TT might fold
- if you bet one fold and the other guy raises the pot is to big to fold imo
- if you check and it goes bet, raise, easy fold

I dont like the b/f here so I check and hope that I dont have to call one more bet.

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if you bet one fold and the other guy raises the pot is to big to fold imo

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What could you possibly be beating if you get raised on the river?