Mother commits suicide at same spot as her only daughter

[4_2_it]

There is an old saying that goes something along the lines of, "No parent should ever live long enough to bury one of their children."

The older my kids get, the more I understand the truth of it.

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I hate this expression and you've forced me to say it: wow, just wow. What an outrageous and baseless speculation. No, I take the story as it's reported. Silly girl kills herself over a tiff with boyfriend. Loving supportive mother who gave everything for her daughter kills herself in grief.


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Your theory as to why she killed herself -- and subsequent judgment of her -- is one line in a news story about what the police "believe," and you're criticizing others for making "outrageous and baseless" speculations?

Obviously, it's not fair to say that she was abused by her mother. But Phil153 used the word "may," and I think the larger point he was trying to make was "Hey, suicide isn't necessarily a selfish thing."

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It is an intensely stupid and selfish act for this girl to have killed herself over some little tiff with her boyfriend. In a sense, her life is not hers to take. As an only child, she killed three people when she killed herself.


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You're certainly not the only one who has this attitude towards suicide, but frankly, I couldn't agree less with it.

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State your case?

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I want to avoid spending all day on here arguing about this, but, in brief...I like living, so I'm not going to kill myself. I have that choice. There are other people who don't like living. Why shouldn't they have the same choice I do?

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[daryn]

lj,

phil was just saying you never know, those things could have been involved. i don't think it's too wild of specualtion at all. he's just saying you don't know.

[luckyjimm]

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It is an intensely stupid and selfish act for this girl to have killed herself over some little tiff with her boyfriend. In a sense, her life is not hers to take. As an only child, she killed three people when she killed herself.


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You're certainly not the only one who has this attitude towards suicide, but frankly, I couldn't agree less with it.

-McGee

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State your case?

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I want to avoid spending all day on here arguing about this, but, in brief...I like living, so I'm not going to kill myself. I have that choice. There are other people who don't like living. Why shouldn't they have the same choice I do?

-McGee

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I guess I believe in families, you don't?

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It is an intensely stupid and selfish act for this girl to have killed herself over some little tiff with her boyfriend. In a sense, her life is not hers to take. As an only child, she killed three people when she killed herself.


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You're certainly not the only one who has this attitude towards suicide, but frankly, I couldn't agree less with it.

-McGee

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State your case?

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I want to avoid spending all day on here arguing about this, but, in brief...I like living, so I'm not going to kill myself. I have that choice. There are other people who don't like living. Why shouldn't they have the same choice I do?

-McGee

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I guess I believe in families, you don't?

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I find this "argument" far more relevant when it's a parent who commits suicide.

Like I said, I'm not going to argue this all day. It's been my experience, though, that people who share your viewpoint on suicide tend to take it as a given, and if you aren't careful, you are going to make someone who has lost someone very dear to them extremely upset with this attitude.

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[luckyjimm]

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It is an intensely stupid and selfish act for this girl to have killed herself over some little tiff with her boyfriend. In a sense, her life is not hers to take. As an only child, she killed three people when she killed herself.


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You're certainly not the only one who has this attitude towards suicide, but frankly, I couldn't agree less with it.

-McGee

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State your case?

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I want to avoid spending all day on here arguing about this, but, in brief...I like living, so I'm not going to kill myself. I have that choice. There are other people who don't like living. Why shouldn't they have the same choice I do?

-McGee

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I guess I believe in families, you don't?

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I find this "argument" far more relevant when it's a parent who commits suicide.

Like I said, I'm not going to argue this all day. It's been my experience, though, that people who share your viewpoint on suicide tend to take it as a given, and if you aren't careful, you are going to make someone who has lost someone very dear to them extremely upset with this attitude.

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I guess I'm with Courtney Love on suicide.

At the risk of repeating myself, let me repeat myself, because this sums up what I believe children owe their parents. It isn't too onerous, is it?

"by fulfilling your obligation to yourself to live well, to find whatever your idea is of happiness and obtain for yourself on your own terms the best life possible given the start your parents have given you, you are also implicitly fulfilling your obligation to your parents. You are making the most of the life they have given you, and allowing them to find happiness in your happiness, and pride at your success"

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lollll this trhead is going to be full of rational people thinking logically and retards thinking emotionally and throwing out crazy ideas liek "WHY DO YOU WANT TO KILL PUPPIES?!"

[mason55]

jium -

this isn't a [censored] contract. i didn't ask to be born.

just like you can lead a horse to water, you can give a kid life but you can't make him keep it.

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I believe children owe their parents

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that is BS. i didn't ask for [censored] from them and if i want to kill myself i am damn well going to do it.

[Quicksilvre]

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Why shouldn't they have the same choice I do?

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Because in general, you will be inflicting tremendous pain to your friends and family, when there are ways for you to feel better without killing yourself.