200NL 2Pair vs Below Avg Player

[D.L.M.]

yes another point to be made. dont call the turn unless you are prepared to call atleast half the pot on the river.

[viper930]

preflop is fine imo because BB and SB fold to steals a ton and this idiot posted for some reason. anyways, preflop isnt the issue here.

nation, do you really think the turn is a fold getting those odds against this player? i think you misread the aggression. his postflop agression is 2, not 0.2

[GrandmaStabone]

easy fold on the turn against 90% of villains . He'd have to ba a lot more aggressive than 2 to make his range wide enough that a call on the turn would be right. I explained exactly why above - even though you have 2 pair, it is essentially a bluff-catcher in this situation.

[viper930]

GS,

I agree that its basically a bluff catcher or a "extremeley overvalued hand" catcher. However, what are you putting him on that plays this way and beats me? AQ and A2 I should have heard from on the flop, sets as well, pretty strange and illogical to take his line with a hand that beats me (except for A4 I guess)

[D.L.M.]

if the donkeys were always logical it would sure make hands easier to play. and money harder to make.

[nation]

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nation, do you really think the turn is a fold getting those odds against this player? i think you misread the aggression. his postflop agression is 2, not 0.2

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i don't think passive is the right word to describe why i'd fold here. its just that he seems like a real loosey goosey calling station, the type that NEVER raises just calls down etc. for that reason i don't think the 4-1 odds even matter, because i think you're way behind, and in no position to call the likely river bet.

[CalledDownLight]

I really dislike raising preflop here. Even without the limper I don't see much reason to raise (unless the blinds are extremely tight). When UTG limps I think you are just throwing money away most of the time. Check this flop, if you bet and are called check turn. As played I think that you can call the raise and call a bet of less than 2/3 pot on the river (in SSNL and below). I think you get shown a big ace more than you'd expect here.

[andyEB]

What's with the pf raise?

Players like this love to play any A. I'm laying this on the river np. His stats don't indicate he's aggressive and he's shown a lot of aggression on the turn and river. A2, A4, AT are all possibilities. I don't think I can call river unless he is just a maniac donkey.

[ImsaKidd]

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fold preflop. fold turn in my opinion as played. yes you're getting 4-1 but its not good enough to improve. he's SO passive that theres very little chance he's playing tricky with a worse hand. in all likelihood you are in very very bad shape.

river is a pretty clear fold.

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Spot on. Why are you isolating an UTG limper with Q4o?

[snakekilla88]

preflop is pretty ugly.