Turn play w KK oc's

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Put me down for calling the turn and folding the river UI.

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Weak sauce. Our opponent is a lag and the board is uncoordinated.

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This is precisely the reason why you should fold, because you only beat air or 67/34. Unless this guy is a complete idiot, he's not going to get fancy in a multi way pot with just air. You've also shown quite a bit of strength.

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I might buy this online but this is a live game. If we're calling the turn, and it would be ridiculous not to, there are 14 BB in the pot on the river after villain leads. On this board, against a LAG, you really don't think we're good better than 1 in 14. Really? Against a LAG?

Now, I agree that against any other read a river fold would probably be the best play. I also agree that we aren't likely to be ahead, but we're surely good 1 in 14.

[mikeca]

I think it really depends on your reads of the villain. If he is a LAG, I would call him down. I have seen aggressive live players that recognize you as a tight player, look at that board and figure you are on just overcards. They think that they can fold you out of the hand with aggressive play. If the SB is capable of that kind of play, then I think you need to call down here. If he checks on a blank river, I would check behind.

[BadBigBabar]

just call down. folding the river would be bad.

[jesse8888]

You've got to call on the turn, and I think everyone agrees on that. If you make two pair, just call him down I say.

If you still just have one pair on the river, and he bets at you, I can't find a fold at 14:1. I just can't. But don't bet the river unless you spike top set.

[KitCloudkicker]

i pay off 100% on this board.

(this is coming from someone who folds the river in live games like its his job)

[Grease]

He's a LAG. I call down. Maybe he has something like Q8, or maybe he's using the Q as a scare card, or maybe he has nothing. I mean, unless he has a set, you have plenty of outs.

I wouldn't fold here, even if an A peeled on the river (I would curse inside and damn the poker gods, but I would still pay off.)

[Yads]

I'm starting to lean more towards call down. We basically need to be ahead on the turn more than 5% of the time to make the call down profitable. I gave us 4 outs when behind and him 6 outs when he's behind. I still think it's a very thin call down, but likely profitable.

[StrictlyStrategy]

lol how could this ever be a fold against a live 4-8 lagtard. 3betting the turn is better than folding. You'll see him CR with QTo trying to "get you off your hand" way more than you'll see him twopair you.

[John_Brian_K]

Preflop play: you are fine obviously I do not think anyone would disagree with that.

Flop play: Sb c/r you with a garbage flop and you see him as LAG. LAG to me will c/r a TAG ALL day with just a pair here hoping TAG will put him on the 'automatic 2 pair in the sb type hand' Could he have flopped 2 pair or a set yeah, but he is LAG and you cannot fold KK to a c/r by a LAG on this flop. You raise his raise which will lose him on the turn if he only has one pair and doesnot improve so this is a questionable play. Nothing wrong with it, but you could have gone either way with it.

Turn Play: I think it is correct to bet, but considering his image I MAY check to him and c/r him back to show the strength of my hand (which he should already know-you played the hand to this point which screams over pair to me)

This is where you leave us and ask what we would have done. Well the turn I would raise him back and if he caps it I check crying call the river unless I 2 pair or set up.

If he just calls the raise on the turn then I bet out the river and if he raises there I crying call to see his flopped 2 pair.

[KitCloudkicker]

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Turn Play: I think it is correct to bet, but considering his image I MAY check to him and c/r him back

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lol

hero is on the button. c/r is not an option.