WSOP ME Hand: TT facing an overbet

[jmill2511]

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I've frequently been wrong trying to decipher idiotic preflop monster overbets. As a general rule, I don't do it anymore unless I have to. Attributing logic to one who is illogical is an endeavor unlikely to produce a meaningful result. You have no idea what his bet means (other than he's a moron), because you've never seen it before. Fold, go home.

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Ok

What happens when you have JJ. How about QQ? Still folding?

[betgo]

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I've frequently been wrong trying to decipher idiotic preflop monster overbets. As a general rule, I don't do it anymore unless I have to. Attributing logic to one who is illogical is an endeavor unlikely to produce a meaningful result. You have no idea what his bet means (other than he's a moron), because you've never seen it before. Fold, go home.

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Ok

What happens when you have JJ. How about QQ? Still folding?

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No I would push QQ. You would probably get allin with QQ if he stnadard raised.

If villain raised 5xBB, you could say he probably has a medium strength hand and wants to take the blinds, so I would be fine with pushing for 25xBB with TT.

Here the play is unusual, so what is he up to. First of all, he set it up so anyone can make the proper size resteal on him. I think we may be falling into a trap by pushing 56xBB preflop.

Also, villain is described as LAG. LAGs usually make small raises. The people who raise 6xBB with AK or TT or something are generally weak/tight, afraid to see a flop, and unwilling to fold a nice hand.

[jmill2511]

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Here the play is unusual, so what is he up to. First of all, he set it up so anyone can make the proper size resteal on him. I think we may be falling into a trap by pushing 56xBB preflop.

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Yea, I definitely thought about this, but I just interpret this bet differently. I just don't think the majority of players are thinking on that level.

If lucko had said " Villian is betgo, and raises to 9k" then I would immediately take into consideration that you were trying to exploit someone.

I just really feel like that without turning his cards face up, this guy is trying to tell us that he has a hand he wont fold, but that he doesn't really want action either.

I do agree he's not folding JJ/AK to a shove here though, and both hands are obv very possible.

Also, when lucko says the guy is a LAG and a bit of a donk, I read that as him saying the guy is decent relative to the people he's playing with, but isn't necessarily very good.

Makes me more inclined to jam if that's the case.

Interesting hand either way IMO

[betgo]

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If lucko had said " Villian is betgo, and raises to 9k" then I would immediately take into consideration that you were trying to exploit someone.

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I don't play that way. I won't make a play with a big pair I wouldn't make with something else. However, you see a lot of that in the $100r and similar tournaments where people will have bet size tells and so on when they have a big pair.

[Todd Terry]

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I've frequently been wrong trying to decipher idiotic preflop monster overbets. As a general rule, I don't do it anymore unless I have to. Attributing logic to one who is illogical is an endeavor unlikely to produce a meaningful result. You have no idea what his bet means (other than he's a moron), because you've never seen it before. Fold, go home.

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Ok

What happens when you have JJ. How about QQ? Still folding?

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Awesome, the Socratic method. And my parents think I'm not putting my law degree to work by playing poker.

JJ, yes I would fold. QQ, I would call. If the flop came out with undercards, I would bet 1/3 of the pot, and fold if he raised. Just kidding, a little ME final table humor. QQ, I would have to shove preflop.

Yes, this reveals an exploitable flaw in my play -- I'll fold big hands at 2:30 a.m. when I'm out of position and you open for 12X the big blind for the first time in the last hand of the day.

[Temp Hutter]

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I have asked this hand to a bunch of players. Still not sure what I think the right play is here. Figured I would post it on here to see what people think...

Day 1, the clock has expired and this is the final hand.

CO 45k
Hero in SB 93k
BB 35k

Blinds 400-800, 100 ante

5 Folds
CO opens for 9k
Button Folds
Hero looks down at TT


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BB: super tight. Played KK scared early for fear of loose player have AA.

CO: LAG. He spewed some chips twice on bluffs. Pushed people out of a few other hands. Bit of a donk but has a clue. He has not opened raised for more than 4x before this. Pretty sure the clock reading 0:00 has something to do with it.

What's your play? What range would you give him?

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Do you have any idea how villain views you? This will change his calling range if you decide to push.

[2005]

Two of my favorite things to do are steal on the last hand before break and take advantage of the last 15 minutes of the day(any day) in a major tournament. So many people are thinking "Man, I just wanna make it through the day." That's what this guy is thinking. "Ok, one more hand before the end of the day, I'm just gonna fold. [censored], it's JJ(or QQ-AA). Ok, '9000'"

This is pretty much never air, a pair smaller than yours, or AK-AQ. This is an easy fold.

[luckychewy]

insta fold, nothing more to really be said. give him a range of opening, a range of calling, and see if you are ahead of either. my intuition would be no.

[djk123]

given your description of co, this is like the easiest shove ever