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09-10-2007, 10:42 PM
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Its the core principle in many, many world religions. Weird how this apparent universal human moral axiom seems independent of Jesus. [/ QUOTE ] Conveniently, they always fail to mention what Jesus said before uttering this commandment, which was to love God with all your heart,soul,and mind. Thus, one's intentions must be conformed to God's intentions before doing unto others what you would have them do unto you. Hence the disparity amongst religions. 
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#13
09-10-2007, 11:59 PM
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Re: Christianity in a nutshell:
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[ QUOTE ] To summarize Christianity you only need five words: "Love your neighbor as yourself." ... Even as an atheist, I think this ideal deserves high reverence. [/ QUOTE ] WAIT A SECOND. When asked to describe the JEWISH bible a renowned Rabbi said: "The whole of Torah is this: what is hateful to you, do not do to others. All the rest is commentary." Having the same summary for these two different religions can't be kosher. [/ QUOTE ] I think it's the summary (or at least one of the major principles) of all major religions.
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09-11-2007, 12:07 AM
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Re: Christianity in a nutshell:
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[ QUOTE ] Its the core principle in many, many world religions. Weird how this apparent universal human moral axiom seems independent of Jesus. [/ QUOTE ] Conveniently, they always fail to mention what Jesus said before uttering this commandment, which was to love God with all your heart,soul,and mind. Thus, one's intentions must be conformed to God's intentions before doing unto others what you would have them do unto you. Hence the disparity amongst religions. [/ QUOTE ] No one said they were identical, simply that they draw on the universal human trait of empathy as a selected trait.
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09-11-2007, 01:07 AM
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Re: Christianity in a nutshell:
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WAIT A SECOND. When asked to describe the JEWISH bible a renowned Rabbi said: "The whole of Torah is this: what is hateful to you, do not do to others. All the rest is commentary." Having the same summary for these two different religions can't be kosher. [/ QUOTE ] The difference, I think, is that Christian love requires infinitely more than restraining oneself from evil. For example, as Kierkegaard said in the prayer opening Works of Love: "There are indeed only some works that human language specifically and narrowly calls works of love, but in heaven no work can be pleasing unless it is a work of love: sincere in self-renunciation, a need in love itself, and for that very reason without any claim of meritoriousness!" Sincere self-renunciation? Love as a need? Identity, complete yet separate from claim of personal merit? The true experience of such things is beyond all ostentation...and beyond all hope as a man alone from God. At any rate, I just meant to emphasize that it's completely missing the point to just think of Christianity as a set of beliefs purportedly containing the sum of all rational truth.
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09-12-2007, 08:15 PM
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Re: Christianity in a nutshell:
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To summarize Christianity you only need five words: "Love your neighbor as yourself." All possibility of human virtue falls away in the face of this commandment, and that void is the point of departure for Christianity. Even as an atheist, I think this ideal deserves high reverence. Not sure why nobody else on here agrees with me, not even the "Christians." [/ QUOTE ] I would say Subfallen is quite close as he has perfectly captured the second half of it. The essence of Christianity can be summed up in two commandments, as stated by Jesus in the 22nd chapter of Matthew. In this passage Jesus is asked "what is the greatest commandment?". His answer: 36 Jesus said unto him, "Thou shalt love the Lord with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." 37 "This is the first and great commandment." 38 "And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." 39 "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." I personally shorten it to five somewhat different words from Subfallen's: "Love God, love your neighbor." Straightforward in concept, but oh so difficult in practice. LATE EDIT: I see that Peter666 also pointed out the first part about loving God.
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09-13-2007, 02:43 AM
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Re: Christianity in a nutshell:
what happens if Im a masochist and I have pleasure from being kicked in the balls and forced to eat [censored]( some ppl do actually enjoy this) does it mean I should kick someone in the balls and force him to eat [censored]?
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#18
09-13-2007, 03:50 AM
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Re: Christianity in a nutshell:
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[ QUOTE ] Its the core principle in many, many world religions. Weird how this apparent universal human moral axiom seems independent of Jesus. [/ QUOTE ] Conveniently, they always fail to mention what Jesus said before uttering this commandment, which was to love God with all your heart,soul,and mind. Thus, one's intentions must be conformed to God's intentions before doing unto others what you would have them do unto you. Hence the disparity amongst religions. [/ QUOTE ] And conveniently, we are told what God's intentions are, by folks who have no way of knowing if God even exists, let alone what God thinks.
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09-13-2007, 04:37 AM
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If it's wrong, in what way? (no fair claiming merely it is "unkind" rhetorically) "Christianity is the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree." [/ QUOTE ] You're truly terrified, aren't you? "Perfect love casts out fear".
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#20
09-13-2007, 05:16 AM
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Re: Christianity in a nutshell:
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[ QUOTE ] If it's wrong, in what way? (no fair claiming merely it is "unkind" rhetorically) "Christianity is the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree." [/ QUOTE ] You're truly terrified, aren't you? "Perfect love casts out fear". [/ QUOTE ] I find this reply incredibly interesting. Is it dry humour, or is this a genuine insight into what you have really been taught to believe?
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