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Old 11-13-2007, 04:36 PM
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Default Re: Warren Buffet\'s Stance on Taxes

He's right?

Are you a billionaire or something? Concerned about estate taxes? Don't worry, Bush has got your back.
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:35 PM
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My basic take on it is that Buffet is being a [censored] idiot.

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Well, of all the things Buffett (two Ts, BTW), is or might be, idiot is not one of them.
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:41 PM
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My position has always been that it is impossible to legitimize progressive tax systems so I disagree with Buffett. I don't see how ability to pay = duty to pay
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:49 PM
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Buffet is no idiot. He knows the prudent thing to do is to come out favoring higher taxation for the wealthy because it lowers his profile as a target. Then what does he do? Give $37B to a charitable foundation to preclude government attack on the accumulated capital after his death.

Gates has done the exact same thing.
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:53 PM
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He knows the prudent thing to do is to come out favoring higher taxation for the wealthy because it lowers his profile as a target.

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I don't understand what you mean.
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:06 PM
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He knows the prudent thing to do is to come out favoring higher taxation for the wealthy because it lowers his profile as a target.

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I don't understand what you mean.

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The government's taxation and regulation bureaucracy is vast and vicious. If you are a high profile target that is publicly very vocal in opposition to government policy, you very quickly attract a lot of negative attention. Gates was notorious for not playing the inside Washington regulatory politics game, and found his company in a [censored] storm of anti-trust investigation for years. When he finally started playing the games, voila, the suit is dropped.

The biggest donors to anti-tax organizations are typically very quiet about it. The last billionaire that I know of who was outspoken in support of a radical small government agenda was Volker, of the Volker Fund, and he eventually moderated his positions and support. This is why formerly radical organizations like Cato have become shallow shells of their former selves.
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: Warren Buffet\'s Stance on Taxes

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Buffet is no idiot. He knows the prudent thing to do is to come out favoring higher taxation for the wealthy because it lowers his profile as a target. Then what does he do? Give $37B to a charitable foundation to preclude government attack on the accumulated capital after his death.

Gates has done the exact same thing.

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Gates got the idea from Buffet it's just that Gates set up his foundation and Buffet was persuaded by Gates to contribute. Buffet has been on the record for a long, long time stating that he would donate his fortune to charity stating that his children would not inherit his fortune. I believe that his children will/have received a lot of money from Buffet's ex wife but from Buffet they basically have received all they're going to get (a college education payed for).

Don't see how this is an advantage to Buffet tax wise. Sure he gets to write off his charitable contributions but he doesn't get to spend it either.
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:14 PM
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I meant more in the same terms as Buffett, percentage of income.
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:37 PM
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Buffet is no idiot. He knows the prudent thing to do is to come out favoring higher taxation for the wealthy because it lowers his profile as a target. Then what does he do? Give $37B to a charitable foundation to preclude government attack on the accumulated capital after his death.

Gates has done the exact same thing.

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Gates got the idea from Buffet it's just that Gates set up his foundation and Buffet was persuaded by Gates to contribute. Buffet has been on the record for a long, long time stating that he would donate his fortune to charity stating that his children would not inherit his fortune. I believe that his children will/have received a lot of money from Buffet's ex wife but from Buffet they basically have received all they're going to get (a college education payed for).

Don't see how this is an advantage to Buffet tax wise. Sure he gets to write off his charitable contributions but he doesn't get to spend it either.

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He doesn't want to spend it. He wants to preserve the accumulated capital, and the productive capacity it embodies, because that is the best possible thing you can do for society. If government were to attack that accumulated capital via the estate tax, for example, it would have to be broken up, and all those years of accumulated capital would be converted into consumption via government redistribution, which is really, really damaging to society in the long run.

Gates and Buffet are heros for that $70 or 80B (or whatever it is) charitable foundation. That fund will do an immense amount of good around the world for decades, whereas government would squander it in one week and have nothing to show for it except more damage done.
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