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Old 11-19-2007, 01:43 PM
Foucault Foucault is offline
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YES
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:54 PM
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I used to avoid Tubros as a rule - I felt the exact same way as the OP. "If you think you're better than average, play a deeper stack tourney and you'll have more opportunity to exploit your edge".

This is true, to a degree, but two things made me change my mind about the Turbos:

1) Even if my ROI is 5% higher in non-turbos, since I can play 50% more Turbos, I can get a higher profit from the lower ROI.

2) I realized that my opponents are over-compensating for the speed of the turbo, making many more mistakes as compared to the regular speed tourneys. I can exploit this to my advantage.

What I've found is that while I have more bubbles / early exits from the Turbos, I have more wins than 4th and 5th place finishes in them. It's truly a "build a big stack or head home" scenario on the bubble, and once I have that big stack, I can exploit the smaller stacks into making mistakes. (and those mistakes are more frequent than the regular speed tourneys).

So I like 'em.

OT

ps - plus, having a baby, I can afford the hour to play a turbo 45... I can't afford the 2+ for a regular speed one...
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:01 PM
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hourly rate ftw!
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:48 PM
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I used to avoid Tubros as a rule - I felt the exact same way as the OP. "If you think you're better than average, play a deeper stack tourney and you'll have more opportunity to exploit your edge".

This is true, to a degree, but two things made me change my mind about the Turbos:

1) Even if my ROI is 5% higher in non-turbos, since I can play 50% more Turbos, I can get a higher profit from the lower ROI.

2) I realized that my opponents are over-compensating for the speed of the turbo, making many more mistakes as compared to the regular speed tourneys. I can exploit this to my advantage.

What I've found is that while I have more bubbles / early exits from the Turbos, I have more wins than 4th and 5th place finishes in them. It's truly a "build a big stack or head home" scenario on the bubble, and once I have that big stack, I can exploit the smaller stacks into making mistakes. (and those mistakes are more frequent than the regular speed tourneys).

So I like 'em.

OT

ps - plus, having a baby, I can afford the hour to play a turbo 45... I can't afford the 2+ for a regular speed one...

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exactly what he said...I used to be a anti-turbo guy beut killing the 12 180's...more variance but more poor lay too and skill does play a part
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:27 PM
windbreaker windbreaker is offline
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I think Double Ice just called me a bad player =(.

Please stop coaching others.

I'm pretty sure my it's easy to win/lose 3.5 std. dev.....I have no idea what you consider to be 1 s.d. though....cause I've played many of them and have gone through +/- 3k downswings pretty quickly.
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:47 PM
Double Ice Double Ice is offline
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I think Double Ice just called me a bad player =(.

Please stop coaching others.

I'm pretty sure my it's easy to win/lose 3.5 std. dev.....I have no idea what you consider to be 1 s.d. though....cause I've played many of them and have gone through +/- 3k downswings pretty quickly.

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Heh, I don't know what I am talking about. Sorry to insult you. Hope you win at the tables soon.

AWice
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:55 PM
mutigers5591 mutigers5591 is offline
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I think Double Ice just called me a bad player =(.

Please stop coaching others.

I'm pretty sure my it's easy to win/lose 3.5 std. dev.....I have no idea what you consider to be 1 s.d. though....cause I've played many of them and have gone through +/- 3k downswings pretty quickly.

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+1..im probably playing bad too but dam i have gone on some sick runs in turbos..won like 15k in my first 500 and then have been on a 500 game break even/barely losing streak ever since
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