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11-30-2007, 10:14 AM
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On the turn, villain most likely has you beat - especially considering his range of hands. He's probably caught a piece of the board with a Queen, or a Ten, or maybe has a pocket pair.
That said, you have a strong draw (nut flush, nut gutshot, overcards) As indicated above, villain likely has some sort of a hand, so you have very little bluff equity here. Accordingly, you should check the turn. If villain then checks through --> Great, free card. If villain bets the turn --> you're getting neary 7:1 money with your strong draw, so it's an easy call. From there, check/fold the river unimproved. However, since you improved on the river to the straight... I don't any need to get fancy. The board would be pretty scarey for a paired queen or pocket pair, so if you check it'll probably just get checked through behind you. Value bet the river and expect a call. Adam 
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11-30-2007, 10:25 AM
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Sex·y·i·tis
–noun Pathology. A compulsive need to crush souls rather than win money. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipZDG6__Zfc
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#5
11-30-2007, 10:36 AM
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miles you know if any noob suggested taking this line you'd rip him a new one.
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11-30-2007, 01:12 PM
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Miles, just to make sure you werent on to something here I did some math, put villain on a range and made some assumptions that was probably biased towards a check/raise strategy and Bet/3bet still came out ahead.
The only way I can see C/R being better than B/3bet here is if we make the assumption that the villain will just call the river some percentage close to 100% with the 8 combos of KQ(only 8 cuz K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] would raise turn) and the 2 combos of KTs. When I did the math I assumed villain would raise the river 100% of the time with KQ/KT. In constructing my ranges I also assumed this was a CO vs BTN situation since it was 4 handed.
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#8
11-30-2007, 02:29 PM
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In the ak hand, I guess you put him on 77/88 with a heart (done with hand), AJ (maybe a crying call), KTs (bets it), or JJ (bets it). I don't see him having KQ/J here. Dunno if AT can still be there.
All in all I think you're chances of getting 2 with the cr are at least as good as getting 1 with a lead so I say nh sir.
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#9
11-30-2007, 03:25 PM
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i didn't play this hand. i am the cutoff.
i had KQ, i got checkraised, nearly timed out, said "aghaghahawrrrrrrrrr AhKh" and called. i said something about how it was a good thing i had KQ and he (she?) wanted me to post the hand. i don't know who this is here or if he even posts. i obv agree with everyone in this thread
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11-30-2007, 03:34 PM
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hey miles just curious, whats your line with KQ as CO if you are bet into on the river? r/c? r/f? just call??
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