Is this PF good/bad?

[Allday Everyday]

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is that mandatory for that person to do that and is that if they just happen to be in the blind????


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Yeah, the winner of the previous two hands must post this amount no matter their position. If they are a blind they just post the kill post. No additional blind required. Also, blinds don't increase for the hand. Just the actual bets.

Though I suppose it depends upon which casino you are playing in. There may be subtle rule changes I'm sure.

You can play in these games online at UB. They're fun and they advantage the better players in the game.

[Allday Everyday]

For what it's worth, I completely agree with Dazarath here.

I think it should be folded PF in a standard 4/8 game, but the fact that it is a kill pot makes it more important to fold. There are less implied odds available in kill pots. And you'll need excellent implied odds in this situation.

Pity you didn't get a chance to steal with the J7s. I love stealing in kill pots.

[naMruM]

Actually, yes, there's a little math. And the kill doesn't matter since for the purposes of this hand, calling the kill is calling a small bet.

The chances of flopping a flush or a 4 card flush draw are about the same as flopping a set from a pair. I'm assuming you need to hit your flush to win, but maybe you catch two pair or a funky straight, whatever. A flush is less disguised than a set, and if the third flush card comes, you'll maybe get less action (unless someone has a nut flush in which case you'll get action you don't want). You also have to put in a turn bet if you pick up your draw, so you need better implied odds to play the J7s than you would to play 22 in the same spot. You don't have the nut, so your flush might be no good, but you might flop a gutter along with your flush draw so let's just say for now that it's close enough to think of the hand like a moderately less valuable small pair.

With 3 weak limpers and with a pretty key assumption that the killer checks, you're getting 4 to 1 on your immediate call but you act last on the flop, and by the time you have to call a bet on the flop, you'll be getting better than that 4 to 1. You want a reasonable shot of getting 6 or 7 to 1 or so on the flop in order to justify the preflop call. That means a bet and a call or two out of the 4 villains ahead of you on the flop. That's a marginal assumption, but your opponents are weak, so you want to get involved.

I just ran it with PokerStove assuming loose calling standards (VPIP 23%) for your limpers and a random distro for your killer. You're at pretty much 20% equity preflop, so by that line, it's an easy call. The same scenario with just one or two tight limpers kills your equity. It's very very important that the limpers are bad players with loose preflop standards.

Oh and I do all that thinking at the table. Yeah right ;-)