Blind vs Blind against tricky villain

[sethypooh21]

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Against a more LAGish player I would 3-bet pf, but this particular TAG is pretty tight pf even from SB in unopened pot. Also I thoght that I had to use a more deceptive line to extract value from him.

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It's BvB, deception is somewhat overrated.

If he's a good TAG, then 3-betting him with A9o in position is nearly a must.

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Could you explain why?

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re: deception, it's BvB so hand values are way discounted. You don't have to underrepresent you hand to get action.

Re: 3-betting, two good reasons have already been stated - you want money going in with an EQ edge preflop, and balance so that he doesn't shut down when you 3-ball you're actual big hands.

I'd also add that A9o isn't really an 'implied odds' type hand where you can catch make someone go off for a bunch of bets while second best postflop (unless you get really lucky and flop a9x and he has AK...), so there's no reason to keep the pot small to preserve implied odds.

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Preflop is not given IMO. I disagree that its a must 3-bet against a TAG.

If he is SD bound I dont mind the 3-bet but if he is non SD bound a 3-bet will kill Hero's action on A high flops.

Its my experience that flop raises gets less credit than preflop 3-bets from other TAGs such that just calling preflop makes more bets postflop when an A flops.

If he is LAGgish postflop I think its a clear 3-bet

[Absolution]

Against a thinking opponent I would probably raise this flop to confuse him. 3-betting this pre-flop can't be that bad of a play either. Just call down after he screw plays the turn because he's a good player and his hands are heavily skewed towards 2 pair or better now.

[sharpie]

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Against a thinking opponent I would probably raise this flop to confuse him. 3-betting this pre-flop can't be that bad of a play either. Just call down after he screw plays the turn because he's a good player and his hands are heavily skewed towards 2 pair or better now.

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A good player will have much more than 2 pair here.

[sethypooh21]

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Against a thinking opponent I would probably raise this flop to confuse him. 3-betting this pre-flop can't be that bad of a play either. Just call down after he screw plays the turn because he's a good player and his hands are heavily skewed towards 2 pair or better now.

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A good player will have much more than 2 pair here.

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To clarify, by "much more" you mean "a wider range than just two pair or better," right?

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Correct.

[sethypooh21]

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Correct.

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Let me also say that I feel like a wanker having the temerity to question/correct Barry.

[sharpie]

lol clarifyaments

[Tryptamean]

I just call a lot pf, I think either way is fine.

Depending on history and stuff, I think the flop is ok. Since you did just call pf, a raise is good and will hopefully lead to big street action from a naked ace.

As played (played ok so far IMO), you should love it that he screwplays you here and 3bet 100%. He has a pair of aces soooo often. You have the best 2pair so the only hand you are afraid of is a set. IF he is good he will be hoping to b3b his set.

Edit: oops, didnt see that a T turned. so you are also afraid of AT, but he should be trying to b3b that too.

[MacGuyV]

I don't think 3balling preflop is a must and I don't think smoothcalling the flop is at all tricky. 3bet turn.