USA Today - Vote: Skill or Chance? - Page 2

TheProdigy · #11 10-25-2007, 03:30 PM

Skill.

But might as well vote Mostly skill because it is leading and close 2nd is mostly luck but some skill, so I say vote the mostly skill one so maybe we can atleast make that one win.

AlexB182 · #12 10-25-2007, 03:34 PM

I voted mostly skill because I think that's what it is. Nobody can deny there is some sort of chance in poker, if you don't think so wait till you hit your next 2 outer and tell me how skillful you made it...

CalledDownLight · #13 10-25-2007, 03:38 PM

I voted skill, but I really think its like 70% luck and 30% skill. If you're the best player in the world and get dealt like 7 high every hand then you're never going to beat the worst player that flops the nuts every hand. Obviously this is an exaggeration, but the luck factor plays a large role, especially in tournaments, which is the form of poker that is most widely known in general American culture.

TheProdigy · #14 10-25-2007, 03:42 PM

Ehh, but the argument should mean long term.

Football is a lot of luck. If a ball deflects the wrong way every time then New England won't win vs Miami Dolphins.

So is everything else in some way even though those are considered only skill.

AlexB182 · #15 10-25-2007, 03:48 PM

I see your point prodigy, but I still think that poker even in the very very long run always has a bigger luck influence than most other games. Yet, I think the influence of luck is in my opinion not as high as CDL mentionend, turn those numbers around, or make it even 80/20 when considering the long run, and we're cool...

Javanewt · #16 10-25-2007, 03:51 PM

I voted mostly skill, because that's the correct answer.

Mike Kelley · #17 10-25-2007, 03:55 PM

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QTip · #18 10-25-2007, 03:55 PM

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Glad that's cleared up.

CalledDownLight · #19 10-25-2007, 03:57 PM

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Ehh, but the argument should mean long term.

Football is a lot of luck. If a ball deflects the wrong way every time then New England won't win vs Miami Dolphins.

So is everything else in some way even though those are considered only skill.

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I understand that, but the issue is that very few people reach the long run. I probably won't ever get that far and I'm a fairly serious player. Far far less than 1% (I'd guess .001%, but thats a complete guess) will ever reach the long run. Thus, it really doesn't matter for most people. There are millions of millions of people who have played poker online at one time or another and there are only a select few (hundreds?) that have even put in a million lifetime hands. The long-run isn't applicable to the average player.

Don't get me wrong, I want it legalized. I think the game is 100% skill if everyone were to play an infinite amount of hands. Its just that in reality thats not the way poker, or the world in general works.

Landlord79 · #20 10-25-2007, 04:05 PM

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I understand that, but the issue is that very few people reach the long run. I probably won't ever get that far and I'm a fairly serious player. Far far less than 1% (I'd guess .001%, but thats a complete guess) will ever reach the long run. Thus, it really doesn't matter for most people. There are millions of millions of people who have played poker online at one time or another and there are only a select few (hundreds?) that have even put in a million lifetime hands. The long-run isn't applicable to the average player.

Don't get me wrong, I want it legalized. I think the game is 100% skill if everyone were to play an infinite amount of hands. Its just that in reality thats not the way poker, or the world in general works.

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I think if you can put 3 to 5 years under your belt as a winning player then you have slipped into the long run and will be able to show a history of profitable poker playing.