200nl: resqueeze

[Jamougha]

Why don't you try working it out using pokerstove, his likely calling range and wha you think his 3-betting range is.

Without doing that any answer isn't worth [censored].

[cowpig]

If villain squeezes a ton and you make it ~$78 to go instead of shoving then this play becomes good (fold to a shove ldo)

[CanuckEh]

Do this with 87s not K10s

[cbloom]

Everyone talking about what cards to do this with is wrong wrong wrong. Do you really think it's okay to do with 9Ts or 87s but not KTs !? WTF.

Whether or not this is +EV depends entirely on how loose his 3bet range is and how tight his shove-calling range is. If you have a very good read on him this could be +EV.

Usually people who 3bet very loose also call shoves loose, so that's bad.
People who 3bet tight of course already have good hands so they call.
This works on people who 3bet loose but only call shoves with a very small range.

[carnivalhobo]

id make it 90 and call a shove ldo

[Keyser.]

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Everyone talking about what cards to do this with is wrong wrong wrong. Do you really think it's okay to do with 9Ts or 87s but not KTs !? WTF.


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It looks like KTs and T9s do just about the same against a fairly normal calling range of JJ+, AK. A suited ace is a little better.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 71.849% 71.64% 00.21% 196274480 569368.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 28.151% 27.94% 00.21% 76555424 569368.00 { T9s }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 72.775% 72.41% 00.37% 163653228 835962.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 27.225% 26.86% 00.37% 60698976 835962.00 { KTs }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.273% 68.28% 00.99% 154339812 2233710.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 30.727% 29.74% 00.99% 67216896 2233710.00 { A5s }

[cbloom]

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Everyone talking about what cards to do this with is wrong wrong wrong. Do you really think it's okay to do with 9Ts or 87s but not KTs !? WTF.


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It looks like KTs and T9s do just about the same against a fairly normal calling range of JJ+, AK. A suited ace is a little better.


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Yup... and FYI 22 beats all of them. But the difference is very small and not what makes this play work or not work.

[Isura]

Pretty bad. People don't squeeze that much at 1/2. Pot isn't big enough PF to make it worth it for the times you get called.

[Isura]

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Do this with 87s not K10s

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No. They are about the same. 87s is more often dominated by pairs. Its not like people call with KQ or KJ in this spot.

[Isura]

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Everyone talking about what cards to do this with is wrong wrong wrong. Do you really think it's okay to do with 9Ts or 87s but not KTs !? WTF.

Whether or not this is +EV depends entirely on how loose his 3bet range is and how tight his shove-calling range is. If you have a very good read on him this could be +EV.

Usually people who 3bet very loose also call shoves loose, so that's bad.
People who 3bet tight of course already have good hands so they call.
This works on people who 3bet loose but only call shoves with a very small range.

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spot on.